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Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

skinfaxi wrote: post #39
jsw97 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Argument for only wins because of the weight of the lawyers they can bring to bear. Clearly ephemeral recording for the purposes of processing violates the spirit of the statute at least. And there is this, from the MGL: The term ''interception'' means to secretly hear, secretly record, or aid another to secretly hear or secretly record the contents of any wire or oral communication through the use of any interceptin…

> This may become a case of we don't enforce the laws against large companies. Why would Apple be a party here at all? Would Sony be a party if someone records another with a walkman?

Apple is potentially a party because Apple processes and provides a recap of what was processed.

Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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Post by whoamii »

akersten wrote: post #76
jsw97 wrote: post #21

This is, I believe, a felony in Massachusetts. https://www.romanolaw.com/can-i-record-a-conversation-in-mas... (Linking to discussion, not the statute, because it confirms that it is in fact enforced.) Come to think of it, this would also include smart glasses, etc. And whatever those LG devices were doing. Paging the AG...

Eh, I hope Apple continues to provide this and it forces the needed discussion about how two-party consent requirements are nonsensical. Why should it be illegal for me to remember exactly a conversation that I participated in, instead of only being allowed to have a vague recollection? Laws like this provide cover for abusers and deceivers, by preemptively spoiling objective evidence and making any accusations depen…

Yes, let’s do something illegal to force a discussion. A discussion that already happened when writing the law…

Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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Post by lozenge »

basch wrote: post #30
napolux wrote: post #7

Never bought a smartwatch, even when I was in love with the Pebble. I hate having to charge it every day. I don't need notifications on my wrist. I have a Casio that has a 10 years battery and dual timezone I need when I travel and a TAG Heuer when I need a "better looking" watch. I don't need to track steps or trainings. Even when I did it was with stupid gadgets like early fitbit bands without displays. When I will…

tap to pay is handy, i would wear something just for that if it lasted all week on a charge. having a fitness / sleep tracker that i cant wear while i sleep cuz it needs to charge defeats the purpose. doesnt quite fill during a shower. apple also made it prohibitively cumbersome / confusing to own two devices that boot up to identical instances. why cant i have two pieces of hardware, and whichever one i pick up resu…

Garmin Pay? My Vivoactive lasts about 7-8 days with sleep tracking and phone notifications. 20 days if you disable phone connectivity.

Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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Post by micromacrofoot »

Molitor5901 wrote: post #35

There has always been the myth/rumor/belief that our devices are always listening. I wonder if this is an overton window moment, get people used to a device actually listening and slowly move to all devices listening.

The myth is that the devices are streaming audio back to be ingested into ad/recommendation algorithms, which is testable and generally not true.

I really wish these conversations would shift to the scarier truth: companies collect so much metadata on everyone that they can make pretty good guesses without processing what you're saying.

If you think "oh hey I was just talking about socks, how did they know to show me an ad for socks" it's likely because they accurately predicted based on your behaviors that you are highly likely to be in the market for socks right now.

Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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Post by speedgoose »

lolsowrong wrote: post #59
speedgoose wrote: post #49

Sincerely, what the fuck Apple? > Your data is not accessible to Apple either, thanks to Private Cloud Compute, and "independent security experts can verify this promise at any time". Siri Recaps auto-delete after seven days too. Apple is serious about getting users to trust this feature. Alright. Let say I’m an independent security expert, how could I verify? I can’t, right?

https://security.apple.com/blog/pcc-security-research/

But I have to trust them that they run what they present.

Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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Post by whoamii »

skinfaxi wrote: post #39
jsw97 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Argument for only wins because of the weight of the lawyers they can bring to bear. Clearly ephemeral recording for the purposes of processing violates the spirit of the statute at least. And there is this, from the MGL: The term ''interception'' means to secretly hear, secretly record, or aid another to secretly hear or secretly record the contents of any wire or oral communication through the use of any interceptin…

> This may become a case of we don't enforce the laws against large companies. Why would Apple be a party here at all? Would Sony be a party if someone records another with a walkman?

If the Walkman is recording all the time, then of course they would be a party.

Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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Post by voakbasda »

jsw97 wrote: post #21

This is, I believe, a felony in Massachusetts. https://www.romanolaw.com/can-i-record-a-conversation-in-mas... (Linking to discussion, not the statute, because it confirms that it is in fact enforced.) Come to think of it, this would also include smart glasses, etc. And whatever those LG devices were doing. Paging the AG...

I believe the same is true in other states. Good luck convincing a DA to bring charges against any of these corporations.

Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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Post by bflesch »

Molitor5901 wrote: post #35

There has always been the myth/rumor/belief that our devices are always listening. I wonder if this is an overton window moment, get people used to a device actually listening and slowly move to all devices listening.

Imagine you work in a three letter agency and discover that a certain guy has a vital role in an issue you are investigating. You don't want to just bug his iPhone from now on, you want to know everything he said over the past two years when around his iPhone.

The tech is already included in the iPhone, and storage requirements are in the hundreds of Megabytes, not more. The device is a black box on purpose, and my informed opinion is that they have been logging the ambient text-to-speech since a long time.

Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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Post by bflesch »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #84
Molitor5901 wrote: post #35

There has always been the myth/rumor/belief that our devices are always listening. I wonder if this is an overton window moment, get people used to a device actually listening and slowly move to all devices listening.

The myth is that the devices are streaming audio back to be ingested into ad/recommendation algorithms, which is testable and generally not true. I really wish these conversations would shift to the scarier truth: companies collect so much metadata on everyone that they can make pretty good guesses without processing what you're saying. If you think "oh hey I was just talking about socks, how did they know to show me…

Facebook/Google have a history of abusing hidden iOS APIs and exploiting weaknesses in the app isolation. It's plausible they found a way to read the output stream of the text-to-speech module from their apps, until Apple was forced to fix it.

None of the companies would have an incentive to report it.

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