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Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by dgellow »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #34
dgellow wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it’s a tradeoff. What do you prefer? To go with the service provider known to be shady but gives you lots of free stuff or the one that might be less shady and gives you less free stuff?

Anthropic is shady too my guy. Claude Code will frequently re-ask you to turn on data sharing even after you've said no, it's dark patterned like a task approval, and once you turn it on it's harder to turn off than OAI makes it.

I hedged my comment by using the conditional tense + “less shady”, because I couldn’t find such issue reported. If you have a link I would be interested to read it. I’m just not aware of shady behavior from Anthropic with regards to training on user data

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by andsoitis »

cute_boi wrote: post #4
andsoitis wrote: post #3

> Make sure you check this thing to see if it hasn't been re-enabled if you believe it to be off right now. Or simply switch to a competitor. Assuming this is not just a bug, why would one stand for such disrespectful and sneaky behavior? FWIW, I have not seen this happen for me.

And don't switch to Misanthropic lol. They are even worst...

> Misanthropic lol.

This approach of misnaming a company to try make a point is childish and, frankly, perplexing to me.

> They are even worst

Learn to write proper English.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by andsoitis »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #34
dgellow wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it’s a tradeoff. What do you prefer? To go with the service provider known to be shady but gives you lots of free stuff or the one that might be less shady and gives you less free stuff?

Anthropic is shady too my guy. Claude Code will frequently re-ask you to turn on data sharing even after you've said no, it's dark patterned like a task approval, and once you turn it on it's harder to turn off than OAI makes it.

> Anthropic

OpenAI and Anthropic are but two players. There are others too. You have choice.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by kd913 »

Odd how much data people are trusting with a company on a monetary cliff edge.

Sure send them all your financial, personal data, they won't ever sell it on to the highest bidder for a new profit stream.

Using it as a therapist, financial advisor, health expert and blackboard has always been a terrible idea.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by achrono »

ActionHank wrote: post #15

Lol, "Outrageous that the company that chose to ignore copyright holder claims, chose to ignore my checkbox of intent despite the implied pinky promise".

Ignoring the checkbox is an utterly offensive move, but repeatedly manipulating it contrary to stated consumer intent is a whole other level. I didn't know we were supposed to take 'frontier' literally in every sense of the word.

I have now witnessed this myself after not believing this at first. Of course, screenshots etc. will hardly prove anything. This needs a proper third-party audit!

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by riffic »

olalonde wrote: post #38

Weird, I'm the opposite. I don't recall ever setting mine and I just checked and it was set to "disallow training".

Is this Settings > Data Controls > "Improve the model for everyone" or is there a "disallow training" somewhere else?

presumably its default behavior will vary depending on your user subscription or if your account belongs to an organization (Business, Enterprise, Edu?).

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