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Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

#41

With "use it or loose it" brain feature, I don't really want my natural recap skill to atrophy to make me dependent on this sort of tech. Not considering that they can secretly ship other monitoring features to constantly scan for certain discussions.

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Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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Never bought a smartwatch, even when I was in love with the Pebble. I hate having to charge it every day. I don't need notifications on my wrist. I have a Casio that has a 10 years battery and dual timezone I need when I travel and a TAG Heuer when I need a "better looking" watch. I don't need to track steps or trainings. Even when I did it was with stupid gadgets like early fitbit bands without displays. When I will…

You said a bunch of statements about yourself, and then made a statement about me . You should have concluded "I don't need a smartwatch." Not everyone has the same needs.

> Not everyone has the same needs.

True, but almost all of the people don't really need a smartwatch :)

Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

#43

There has always been the myth/rumor/belief that our devices are always listening. I wonder if this is an overton window moment, get people used to a device actually listening and slowly move to all devices listening.

Our devices are always listening, if you have them set up to listen for hail words like "Siri" or "Hey Google," so I think the Overton window on listening already shifted about 10 years ago. The device actually recording/transcribing what it hears is newer, but you're right that it's becoming more and more normalized. With Granola, I think most people assume that any video call is being transcribed, even if there's no indication in the meeting.

Whatever side you come down on, privacy doesn't stand a chance against a small amount of convenience.

Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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That’s going to be a hell of a security risk for us. I think it’ll be a no watches policy in the office going forward.

Surely you'd also have to ban phones and other devices with microphones? All these devices can trivially be set up to record, so if your goal is full security, you should be a no phones workplace.

Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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That’s going to be a hell of a security risk for us. I think it’ll be a no watches policy in the office going forward.

Surely you'd also have to ban phones and other devices with microphones? All these devices can trivially be set up to record, so if your goal is full security, you should be a no phones workplace.

My device has no microphone. Promise.

How would you verify?

Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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How does this work in two party consent states? It seems nuts on the face of it. I guess they devolve liability onto the user and wash their hands of it?

It is "not stored" "not recorded".

It is "recorded" by the Apple Watch's microphone, "stored" in the Watch's Secure Exclave, transferred and "stored" in the paired iPhone's Secure Exclave where it is transcribed, then trimmed of fluff words, then uploaded to Private Cloud Compute for summarization and trimming "sensitive info", then back down to the phone, and then deleted off both Secure Exclaves. The summary is synced through iCloud to the Siri app on all your devices, is "stored" for a week, and can be saved permanently.

Apple's marketing screenshots show "Always On - Listen for conversations all day" as one of the four main options when you first turn it on.

Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

#49
Sincerely, what the fuck Apple?

> Your data is not accessible to Apple either, thanks to Private Cloud Compute, and "independent security experts can verify this promise at any time". Siri Recaps auto-delete after seven days too. Apple is serious about getting users to trust this feature.

Alright. Let say I’m an independent security expert, how could I verify? I can’t, right?

Re: Thanks to Siri Recaps, your Apple Watch is always listening

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Never bought a smartwatch, even when I was in love with the Pebble. I hate having to charge it every day. I don't need notifications on my wrist. I have a Casio that has a 10 years battery and dual timezone I need when I travel and a TAG Heuer when I need a "better looking" watch. I don't need to track steps or trainings. Even when I did it was with stupid gadgets like early fitbit bands without displays. When I will…

fwiw, the new pebble lasts a week on a charge and it is great. but agree most of the smart features are still useless.

It's great except for the side button durability. I had to throw my latest Pebble out because of that.
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