Mathematicians want proof OpenAI didn't use their work
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Re: Mathematicians want proof OpenAI didn't use their work
#2If I understand correctly OpenAI cannot provide it. Because the models are essentially black boxes, especially this far after the fact, determining if this result built on training data based on conversations about the problem is impossible. So unless they can prove those conversations were never used for training then there’s no way to know.
Re: Mathematicians want proof OpenAI didn't use their work
#3Why are people so possessive? Why wouldn't they just release their work for the profit of humanity? I'm genuinely curious.
Re: Mathematicians want proof OpenAI didn't use their work
#4If I understand correctly OpenAI cannot provide it. Because the models are essentially black boxes, especially this far after the fact, determining if this result built on training data based on conversations about the problem is impossible. So unless they can prove those conversations were never used for training then there’s no way to know.
This is exactly the issue.
What the mathematicians could do is reveal whether they had the data-sharing opt-out on or not. But curiously, as far as I've seen, none of them will answer that question!
Re: Mathematicians want proof OpenAI didn't use their work
#5If I understand correctly OpenAI cannot provide it. Because the models are essentially black boxes, especially this far after the fact, determining if this result built on training data based on conversations about the problem is impossible. So unless they can prove those conversations were never used for training then there’s no way to know.
It might be a lost cause regardless, because this is under the assumption that we can trust OpenAI to be honest about their own investigation, which is unlikely.
Re: Mathematicians want proof OpenAI didn't use their work
#6Why are people so possessive? Why wouldn't they just release their work for the profit of humanity? I'm genuinely curious.
I don’t think it is people being possessive but rather people finding their value over the work they do (sentence ended up being weird but I hope the idea is clear).
So I see someone dedicating a sizeable portion of their life on a discovery and not being credited is the problem here. Otherwise it would be published in a journal anyway.
Re: Mathematicians want proof OpenAI didn't use their work
#7If I understand correctly OpenAI cannot provide it. Because the models are essentially black boxes, especially this far after the fact, determining if this result built on training data based on conversations about the problem is impossible. So unless they can prove those conversations were never used for training then there’s no way to know.
This is exactly the issue. What the mathematicians could do is reveal whether they had the data-sharing opt-out on or not. But curiously, as far as I've seen, none of them will answer that question!
Well that assumes OpenAI respects that setting. Given some of the company’s ethical challenges to date that’s not something folks are willing to just assume is happening.
Re: Mathematicians want proof OpenAI didn't use their work
#8Why are people so possessive? Why wouldn't they just release their work for the profit of humanity? I'm genuinely curious.
Because it's not humanity that profits, it's OpenAI.
Re: Mathematicians want proof OpenAI didn't use their work
#9Why are people so possessive? Why wouldn't they just release their work for the profit of humanity? I'm genuinely curious.
Not defending it but in academia credit and attribution can be big deals. Some people are motivated by money, some by fame, some by satisfaction from doing the work, some by recognition, most by some mix.
Re: Mathematicians want proof OpenAI didn't use their work
#10Why are people so possessive? Why wouldn't they just release their work for the profit of humanity? I'm genuinely curious.
Because in academia, your name and your body of work is a big deal that can open or close doors, and assigning credit is an important part of it. This isn't a new thing/exclusive to the AI era either.