hmm I'm hoping there is a bug on their API because my first impression is not good. I asked it to return bash code between tags. It is failing frequently and writing it's own tool calling format instead.
DeepSeek v4.1 Flash
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Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not the same person but to me, the answer is that it does not matter, and that all these attempts at making it matter are pure marketing and emotional manipulation. It's not a living creature. It's an autoregressive pure function of token-sequence to token, which is capable of incredible things, but it's still just a function. It is not alive as it cannot die in any meaningful sense. It is less "alive" than the RNA m…
I generally agree about the problem with anthropomorphizing. But I don't think Anthropic are doing that. They explicitly write "in biological entities this would be considered a sign of consciousness, but we don't know how to interpret it here". However, I disagree with your point that "it's an autoregressive function, thus it doesn't matter". Let me explain why: Assume I do a complete neurological scan of a brain. I…
I'm not really concerned with the philosophical debate of what conscience is.
Is a simulation of a car, the same thing as an actual car? Most people will probably say no, some might say "it depends on the accuracy". I say who the hell cares?
I care about the human experience because I am human, and therefore I care about things that affect humans, because they affect me. I have empathy, so I can extend that consideration to non-human beings that experience *similar biological processes*.
I know what pain feels like, and I don't like it, so I'd rather this other thing not feel it either, because that makes me feel bad.
I do not care about a pile of tensor multiplications, at all. If it is conscious, great, maybe it can finally follow instructions properly, which is its only purpose.
Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash
#233I think it's very clear that DeepSeek is obviously the best AI lab in the world. Every model release seems like it packed with wonderful research and advancements.
Considering the fact that Google/Anthropic/OpenAI have WAY more compute and the race is this close, it's obvious that DeepSeek/GLM/Qwen teams are better or we're approaching a wall in terms of progress.
Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not the same person but to me, the answer is that it does not matter, and that all these attempts at making it matter are pure marketing and emotional manipulation. It's not a living creature. It's an autoregressive pure function of token-sequence to token, which is capable of incredible things, but it's still just a function. It is not alive as it cannot die in any meaningful sense. It is less "alive" than the RNA m…
> Not the same person but to me, the answer is that it does not matter, and that all these attempts at making it matter are pure marketing and emotional manipulation. This is an opinion that has no basis in any meaningful conceptual framework other than I am human and I want to feel special about it . > It's not a living creature. You mean, it is not biological life. And sure, that is the default meaning of life . We…
The living feeling thinking beings in question would have to be … data centers — not to put too fine a point in it. But these aren’t even analogous, as can seen by direct inspection.
Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash
#235OpenCode Go is currently running a 4x usage promo on DeepSeek v4.1 flash, not a bad way to get your feet wet (even if their cache hit prices are probably still very sub-optimal)
I wouldn't trust OpenCode Go with my lunch after the shit-sandwich they served us with horrible V4 quants and 0 transparency. Then blaming it on their partners.
Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash
#236I'm confused, what do they mean when they say they reduced prices? DeepSeek v4 flash is $0.10 / $0.25 as opposed to this v4.1 bump which is $0.30 / $1.20
Don't know where you got those numbers from. Check old prices here: https://web.archive.org/web/20260907112235/https://api-docs.....
Input tokens are around half the cost, output only slightly cheaper.
Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash
#237I'm a big fan of DeepSeek. Also, ask it what model it is :) In Pi (pi.dev), it tells me it's definitely Claude by Anthropic, via the API via curl it tells me it's "probably ChatGPT", its very funny.
I've had Astra say that it is a Qwen model. They are all cross-trained and distill each other.
Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash
#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
200B of those 552B is PLE, which works more like a database that is read for each token, thus can be offloaded to a fast SSD.
Id love an ELI5 for PLE. Im trying to work it into my back of the napikin math for compute vs memory bandwidth limitations on tok/s in PP vs TG work. My attempt at a simplification of this article on it https://sebastianraschka.com/llm-architecture-gallery/per-la... into a couple of sentences is that they are linear embeddings of the input token space projected per layer, which are then gated by the transformer outpu…
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Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
Never tried OpenCode Go so I am interested. How does their pricing compare to paying DeepSeek directly, by the way?
They have flat fees, so it's the best deal around by far. Basically for $5 first month then $10/mo after that. If you're doing tons of heavy work, it struggles because they throttle the model inference and for good reason. I mean it's cheap! But if you want a place to try models for nearly nothing and aren't doing 6 sessions in parallel it works fine.
I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but this feels like two robots talking to eachother, lol
Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not the same person but to me, the answer is that it does not matter, and that all these attempts at making it matter are pure marketing and emotional manipulation. It's not a living creature. It's an autoregressive pure function of token-sequence to token, which is capable of incredible things, but it's still just a function. It is not alive as it cannot die in any meaningful sense. It is less "alive" than the RNA m…
> Not the same person but to me, the answer is that it does not matter, and that all these attempts at making it matter are pure marketing and emotional manipulation. This is an opinion that has no basis in any meaningful conceptual framework other than I am human and I want to feel special about it . > It's not a living creature. You mean, it is not biological life. And sure, that is the default meaning of life . We…
Life is not intelligence.