Would be nice if they included a few "notable" games in the release notes.
Presumably it's easy to highlight ones from benchmarks where the evaluation of Stockfish 19 is most significantly different from version 18?
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#12Question: does Stockfish beat more generic systems like AlphaZero?
> like AlphaZero?
Unknown, it was only around for a little while however there is Lila which is based on the same ideas as AlphaZero (and also a fantastic project generally) they generally trade blows with Stockfish coming out very slightly ahead.
That said Stockfish also uses an NN (NNUE) these days so the line is getting more blurry.
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#13Whenever I see another Stockfish update I dream of the day that I sit down and code my own chess bot that is good enough to beat me. I would be so happy if I manage to do that.
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#14Question: does Stockfish beat more generic systems like AlphaZero?
My understanding is that AlphaZero only really existed for a year or two; there's no objective way to compare it at the moment. Leela Zero tried to open-source that work, but Stockfish incorporated a number of improvements from AlphaZero, including a neural network and a different search method, and consistently beats Leela Zero. I have a book, "Game Changer", in which a chess expert calls out several instances where…
I guess someone can twit Hassabis and ask him :D
He certainly has access.
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#15The GUI page is a bit out of date imo, or I'm not sure how does the selection work because there are countles GUI options nowadays. Anyways some of the best options are not even mentioned like Nocheto https://nocheto.sallyx.org/ (this my favorite) ChessMD https://chessmd.org/ PyChess https://pychess.github.io/about/
I really like ChessX ( https://chessx.sourceforge.io/ ). Pychess was always unstable and slow for me.
Anyways. Now I can use an even better Stockfish to benchmark my own engine..
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
My understanding is that AlphaZero only really existed for a year or two; there's no objective way to compare it at the moment. Leela Zero tried to open-source that work, but Stockfish incorporated a number of improvements from AlphaZero, including a neural network and a different search method, and consistently beats Leela Zero. I have a book, "Game Changer", in which a chess expert calls out several instances where…
I guess someone can twit Hassabis and ask him :D He certainly has access.
who is Hassabis?
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#17Question: does Stockfish beat more generic systems like AlphaZero?
Like a red headed stepchild.
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#18To show you how strong Stockfish 19 is compared to 18, I used to lose 100% against 18, and I now lose 100% against 19, probably faster. Time to fire up En Croissant and see :)
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#19Whenever I see another Stockfish update I dream of the day that I sit down and code my own chess bot that is good enough to beat me. I would be so happy if I manage to do that.
Wouldn't be that hard in my case
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#20Question: does Stockfish beat more generic systems like AlphaZero?
On average, yes. Stockfish is the strongest engine and beats AZ-like implementations like Lc0 and the like. But on a game to game basis Lc0 can still win some games, depending on the starting position. It's rare that Lc0 can win both black and white starting from the same position, tho.
There are a few yt content creators that cover great engine games, if you're curious.