It’s crazy to me that companies/researchers share important data with these AI labs, you’re basically giving them your secret sauce which they then share with all of your competitors via training on conversations. At the same time I don’t really know alternatives other than a slightly less than frontier local LLM. Not sure how good they are at math.
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#82If they're stealing math proofs to advertise their models, who's to say they won't steal your businesses IP to gain a competitive advantage?
They're not to be trusted with your data. I can't believe how short-sighted this is, they got a quick PR win at the expense of a much larger trust problem.
I wouldn't trust cloud AI at all at this point. Get an open Chinese model and host it yourself somewhere. The initial costs might be higher, but you'll break even pretty quickly and nobody will be able to steal your innovations.
This is American AI companies committing suicide.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Discovery" is not a goal in itself. I could launch a project to find out how many people in the United States have names such that if you assign numbers to every character and then sum the values, the sum works out to 72. It's discovery, but it's useless unless it has some higher goal. The labs are attacking these problems as a demonstration of capabilities, spending more money on the demos than any mathematician wi…
Right, mathematicians care about clout and tenure, which is a much higher purpose.
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#85Only after reading this post did I learn that my preferred AI trains on my inputs (prompts). How was I not aware of this before?
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
The AI only seem to solve the problems that it had human trading data on… If this wasn’t human driven, I’d expect to see other problems within that problem. Space solved not just the ones that it had chat data on.
There have been about 6-8 major math breakthroughs claimed by AI. Only for 2 of them there are public accusations about the training data.
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#87Some mathematicians I know who've been following this have realized that they'd all gotten some emails from people they now know to be affiliated with OpenAI/Anthropic asking questions about their research in a way that seemed like scooping attempts. Also, a lot of my mathematicians buddies have reported students basically asking if it's worth ever doing grad school for pure math, and even very motivated students are…
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#88Re: More questions about whether researchers can trust OpenAI with unpublished math
#89There is no prove in a world the AI companies would give to you ensuring that they didnt train or use the chats.
Why would you need to train a model on certain specific near prove chat if you just query it?
Besides that, its hard to believe that its the case for every "company stole my prove".
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#90TL/DR: Mathematician opted out of training on 29-JUN and asked OpenAI whether they trained on his data and was told that it "did not happen" but it clearly did.