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The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

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Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

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"The world" is not represented by the UN General Assembly. Did you vote for your representative?

The UN does not dictate which map you or your government or your school or Google uses.

I didn’t say it did, I said the UN is not a democratic body. He said the world decided. What is your problem?

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

#92

It's kind of funny how the colonial convenience of having the 0 longitude line pass through Greenwich, UK ends up making Africa the most prominent place on the world map, since the centerpoint (0,0) is just off the African coast. This was true with Mercator as well, but Equal Earth emphasizes just how huge the African continent actually is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_meridians The Washington meridians are four meridians that were used as prime meridians in the United States which pass through Washington, D.C.

Don't give Trump any ideas.

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

#93

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Besides size, there's distance. Like it's annoying how UK and France look much further apart than they actually are, and every sea/air route appears to not take the shortest path. I'd be fine with this change if it weren't about trying to make Africa look more important. They're just fixing a misleading map.

What's the task here?

Casually looking at a map to understand relatively how far away things are from each other

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

#96
post #34

I vibe-coded up an animated transition between Mercator and Equal Earth (using D3) the other day, if anyone's interested in that comparison: https://tools.simonwillison.net/equal-earth

I stopped reading at "vibe-coded".

It's kinda obvious when you see the username, isn't it?

But still, it's not a red flag in this particular example.

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

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post #4

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The main difference is that the UN didn’t force anything and isn’t unilaterally deciding what projection to use. The countries decided together to use a new default when showing the world map, that’s it. You can still use whatever projection you want, nothing will happen to you. > it's purely symbolic and changes nothing geopolitically. That’s literally what the UN is for. The UN isn’t a supranational organization fi…

Trump didn't unilaterally decide what the rest of the world calls two bodies of water, only the US

He doesn't even have the power to unilaterally declare what the US calls it. Names of geographic features are established by popular usage, not governments.

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

#98
post #59

I read the article thinking that it was not going to mention Dymaxion. Articles like this rarely do. The BBC has an article on the U.N. resolution ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly5r60v4mro ), and it does not. And then right at the bottom it went and mentioned Dymaxion. Dymaxion is one of the few projections that actually shows Antarctica with something resembling its actual shape. Interestingly, to counter t…

> Interestingly, to counter the people who say that the best thing to learn from is an actual globe, a couple of children's globes of the world that I had as a child had large metal caps around the axle that obscured most of Antarctica.

"I had toy globes which, unlike actual globes, covered up significant chunks of Earth, so actual globes are bad"

Solid logic, mate.

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

#99

It's kind of funny how the colonial convenience of having the 0 longitude line pass through Greenwich, UK ends up making Africa the most prominent place on the world map, since the centerpoint (0,0) is just off the African coast. This was true with Mercator as well, but Equal Earth emphasizes just how huge the African continent actually is.

Yeah, the prime meridian selection is the actually colonial part of the Mercator map. It's not like they were trying to make Europe look big, but they were trying to make London central.

The prime meridian being the least skewed area of the equal earth and Robinson projections, with their bulgy nature, actually serves to make them both offer somewhat inconvenient depictions of places like Alaska and New Zealand and Japan.

Mercator is far more globally evenhanded in that regard, being a cylindrical projection.

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

#100
post #82

Since we are moving away from print and towards screens, shouldn't we be just using actual globes?

Screens are still 2D objects requiring projections.

With computer generated maps, you can just always use a minimally distorting conical or polar projection centered on the exact point you’re focusing on.

That also happens to be broadly what you would get looking straight down at the earth from above that point, which seems like it would also be the least confusing option.

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