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I'm sorry, you're not going to die from an AI-engineered supervirus

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Re: I'm sorry, you're not going to die from an AI-engineered supervirus

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"The problems with which the universe can confront any society are, for practical purposes, infinite in number and endless in variety." - Joseph Tainter AI will really aid the universe in generating more problems. Maybe it's not a supervirus, but hell, maybe it is.

That quote is very interesting, because I think I interpreted it the opposite of you:

"we could be attacked by an infinity of problems, which means that worrying about all of them is statistically unpractical"

Re: I'm sorry, you're not going to die from an AI-engineered supervirus

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I wonder if there is a name to this phenomena. Where being knowledgeable in one thing (such as computer science) means you incorrectly believe you are an expert in another domain (such as virology)

It's much simpler than that: You don't have to be an expert on anything to be a complete dunce in everything else. Hardly rare enough to call it a "phenomenon"

Re: I'm sorry, you're not going to die from an AI-engineered supervirus

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Thank goodness someone wrote this, I was also thinking about writing an article like this. This is such a massively overblown worry that AI companies who are seeking regulatory capture love to roll out whenever they are trying to gin up some FUD. Creating viruses at home is extremely difficult, even if you have a perfect instruction manual and someone sitting behind you telling you what to do. It's full of trial and…

Viruses probably too hard but I think small scale bioterrorism is much easier and doesn't require fancy enzymes. I think this is actually the best argument for regulation of current models.

It's even happened pre-AI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

Re: I'm sorry, you're not going to die from an AI-engineered supervirus

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The magical level of intelligence required is not really a flaw of the argument's deductions, it is its very premise. If you believe that there is a possibility of an AI working on itself, you get the approximate differential equation d/dt f(t) >= C*f(t). In plain English, at least some proportion of development's progress goes back into future development. The (least case growth, assuming equality) solution to this is an exponential function, and exponential blowup leads to stupendous and magical seeming results. I then ask - what is evolution if not a dumb optimization process? How are we supposed to believe that it devised miracles such as the human mind, insect flight, echolocation and so on while denying the possibility of a future EXTREMELY power simulation to do the same? I went in really wanting to be convinced by this article for the sake of my own mental health, but I am disappointed. What we really need for such a statement is concrete physical evidence that a virus is simply incapable of having such facilities. Or perhaps an equivalence established showing biological defense is no harder than offense. Until it exists, I will continue to worry.

Re: I'm sorry, you're not going to die from an AI-engineered supervirus

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> When people believe that AI could figure this out on its own, without first running extensive and expensive basic science experiments, they have left the realm of science and have entered what can only be described as religion.

I strongly agree with this. Too many people have the Arthur C Clarke quote infecting their brains.

So much of science is contingent on the physical world and cannot be determined from first principles i.e. by thinking hard about it. (Sorry Plato, you can’t think your way to the moon.) You need increasingly precise measurements, which means increasingly complex tools which means…supply chains. Science requires supply chains. Magic doesn’t.

Re: I'm sorry, you're not going to die from an AI-engineered supervirus

#29

Just because the author can't think of a way to cause mass death with an engineered virus, doesn't mean an AI won't be able to think of one. (There are several biological threats the author hasn't considered. I'll just leave it at that.)

The author can't think of what a superintelligence will do, because they are not a superintelligence. But that is not really what people are concerned about, so I think the objections here are quite meaningful. If there is a fully general superintelligence - in the current state of alignment - we will all die for some reason. It doesn't really matter what the reason is.

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Re: I'm sorry, you're not going to die from an AI-engineered supervirus

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I'm far from anything resembling an expert in biological weapons, but this seems to me puzzlingly overconfident in the opposite direction. > PhD students in 2026 using state-of-the-art AI software are spending months or years trying to design simple peptide binders that inhibit some enzyme or pull down some protein This confuses me, as state-of-the-art AI software is moving quite quickly. Any software that is current…

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