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Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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Is this what it feels like using Claude?

Holy shit this was the most infuriating thing I've experienced in a while lmao, I felt so relieved when the button was turned to blue, but then so visceral "no no no no no" panic when it turned to the gradient.

Amazing

E: this is a horror simulator, my breathing is becoming shallow and fast, I love it.

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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How does one learn to interact with Claude more effectively?

Realise that you are talking to some mathematics in a box. You can't get a rise out of it. It cannot feel guilt or remorse. Whatever emotional payoff one might want from "I asked for ONE button" cannot be had here. Meanwhile, not only are you being charged by the word, but every word you send that is not directly on the path to getting what you want done is just noise in the maths getting in your way. So leave emotio…

Except you are missing an important aspect: the model includes training data that responds to THIS IS FUCKING WRONG, after which highly likely follows correction patterns and working solutions.

Ie, actually, yes, shouting at the AI can (and does, there are papers on this), work.

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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Hacker News is the epitome of this! If you find yourself not enjoying your daily dose of "someone is wrong on the internet" (via the immortal https://xkcd.com/386/ ) as you find yourself crafting the perfect response, you can always close the tab!

You can, but this is public and maybe you should post. If "you are what you repeatedly do" then we all collectively are what we all do. If we each stop arguing with racists because we're each tired of it, then what we are is a society that lets racism go unopposed, a site with racist comments proliferating, a site where racists gather because they are able to be themselves, a site where future readers and AI training…

You overthink this. Participating in HN is in no way like democratic voting. And sometimes it is my (or yours) comment that is the problem.

Let's not pretend that 90% of HN comments are world-changing. Maybe you are different, but a lot of my would-be comments are knee-jerk reactions that won't actually bring anything substantial to the discussion. Often in political comment chains. Yes, I feel I'm right, but it's still probably not worth posting. I really think that sometimes stopping before posting is better for everyone involved.

I also have well thought comments, where I share my thoughts on things I'm an expert in. I do post them. But a lot of the comments is not really that valuable.

>comments I spent literal hours on[2]

It may make you feel better that I saw both of your posts before (I may spend too much time on HN). They are good, though a bit verbose - maybe this intimidates people. But in this case I agree with GP - if I was spending literal hours responding to comments here I should definitely stop myself.

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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You can, but this is public and maybe you should post. If "you are what you repeatedly do" then we all collectively are what we all do. If we each stop arguing with racists because we're each tired of it, then what we are is a society that lets racism go unopposed, a site with racist comments proliferating, a site where racists gather because they are able to be themselves, a site where future readers and AI training…

You overthink this. Participating in HN is in no way like democratic voting. And sometimes it is my (or yours) comment that is the problem. Let's not pretend that 90% of HN comments are world-changing. Maybe you are different, but a lot of my would-be comments are knee-jerk reactions that won't actually bring anything substantial to the discussion. Often in political comment chains. Yes, I feel I'm right, but it's st…

Let's not pretend that 99.9999% of HN comments are world-changing.

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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At least with Codex, this has not been my experience at all. It still screws up sure, but in every case I can ask "why did you do this" and it can trace back what made it take that particular decision. Typically it's always that I either didn't specify the problem correctly or made a really dumb mistake (executing the task on the wrong project....did this one yesterday) or it's something within a skill file that inst…

I see this as more of a cute historical artifact than anything. There was a time when models/harnesses behaved like this, but we are well past it for frontier (or not so frontier) models.

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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Great site, triggered memories! haha. To try to add something to this discussion -- I think that while I've seen these sort of loops less --- what I have seen is "overly helpful". Models nowadays want to double-triple-quadruple check things. I'm being silly but it verges on "I have a working solution but let me write a variation in Rust to ensure a convergent solution and prove this works". I've had to stop models no…

It basically makes it impossible to have it build a very large feature incrementally. I am currently building a very large feature and the only way to do this properly is to do it in small steps. No matter what I prompt, I always have to spend a bunch of time reigning it in during planning (and implementation!) because it tries to solve the whole thing end-to-end or add enough boilerplate so that a code path (that is…

I typically see the exact opposite problem when giving Claude the reins on a large undertaking.

Claude will, without prompting, break the implementation into 6 phases, and write AI slop “code as English” specs for each phase, each one with glaring errors and unintelligible terse jargon. It will review them all several times with major findings every time and tons of design churn…

Then it will implement a total heap of garbage over many hours of many agents, despite it working in “lanes” and in parallel, and with regular input needed.

Just thousands and thousands of lines of junk, which auto review then plays whack-a-mole to polish and fix. All the while it is able to see the errors and edge cases, yet fails to see the key architectural blunders that led to them in the first place.

I’ve had to fully rethink my approach to LLM tasks like this. For example, for library-esque modules, I have found that isolating the problem outside of the codebase is one useful approach. Something about the lack of noise. It can land on a cleaner solution that can be retrofitted.

I also find that asking it to implement end to end in one fell swoop with a very high level plan actually saves time and creates a cleaner result.

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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> A constant predictable reward is boring, less engaging. Perhaps but predictable outcome is a very desirable quality. No one wants a hammer that sometimes drives nails and sometimes doesn’t. All of the current harness engineering work is about squeezing predictability out of the LLM. > Good traffic is not a "reward" for driving to work(!) Like hell it’s not. I drove into work last Friday and there was no traffic bec…

I think you're missing the point. Predictable outcomes are desirable, but they aren't addictive or gambling. People quickly get used to opening the faucet and seeing water come out and stop doing it, whereas people scroll TikTok or channel surf for hours at a time. In what way was amazing no-traffic "a reward"? What system was rewarding you for what change in behaviour?

You went off on a tangent and I responded. None of this is actually relevant to the topic of whether LLMs are “basically gambling”.

> In what way was amazing no-traffic "a reward"? What system was rewarding you for what change in behaviour?

What does this mean? Are you asking me to describe the dopamine system or are you implying that rewards have to be driven by some external system’s goal?

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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I don’t see much similarity beyond the most superficial. If you sit at a slot machine and pump quarters into it, each “turn” is independent. You spin and you win or lose. It’s pure chance and there is no destination. You execute the exact same action over and over and hope random chance brings you more money. If you sit down in front of a coding harness, the progress is incremental and directed. You ask for a thing,…

So maybe it's more like poker than a slot machine? Still intermittent rewards with a lot of random chance. The nuance of the analogy isn't that important to the general idea

My point is that the analogy is inherently bad. The fact that LLMs are somewhat inconsistent doesn’t make them like gambling.
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