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Re: iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max

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Post by Gigachad »

sheepybloke wrote: post #199
quinncom wrote: post #66

I love that it has a feature to prove images came from the real world: > Users can now prove the authenticity of a photo taken on iPhone 18 Pro models with Apple Reference Image, powered by the new sensor in the Main camera that can sign every pixel it sees. When a photo is taken in the new Reference mode, the camera captures signed sensor data that Private Cloud Compute develops into an unalterable reference image.5…

On the opposite side, this read to me like there was so much image processing going on in the background and off device that they felt like they needed to prove that there was a real image backing the creation, and that it was not all AI. It really begs the question of what the extent is of image processing.

The iphone image pipeline is mostly just playing with exposure and color, things that we widely regard as fair game in editing. Where the line was crossed was magic eraser and reframe where the iphone is straight up making objects in the image.

Re: iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max

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Post by embedding-shape »

ks2048 wrote: post #171
dabinat wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be great if they could use the LiDAR scanner to sign a depth map of the scene in front of the camera. It would show if you photographed a flat image.

If that became popular, the AIs would learn how to generate a realistic depth map along with any generated image.

Even simpler, a 3D printed relief with an image "stamped" on it, now you effectively have a 3D image.

Re: iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max

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Post by Gigachad »

awkwardleon wrote: post #155
spacebanana7 wrote: post #141

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The weakness of this is that a person can take a picture of a high resolution screen or print. We really need Apple to open up true depth APIs to make forgery non trivial.

Agree with the weakness, but the benefit of provenance is still there. You can't tell if the picture that person took is of an AI image, but there's some value in saying "I took this" and being able to prove it.

I hope future social media presents this metadata so if someone claims a photo is from the BBC, it actually gets checked against the keys the BBC sign their photos with.

Re: iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max

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Post by muppetman »

josephg wrote: post #215
supratims wrote: post #203

I think I am going to continue with my 17 pro max for another year. I usually upgrade every year, but not this time.

I haven’t upgraded since 2020 and I still don’t have a good reason to. My iPhone 12 still runs great. I use a real camera for photography. Other than the cameras, what has meaningfully improved over the last 6 years?

Yea I just swapped my jogging/beach iPhone from an Xr to an iPhone 12 and wow, it's so much better than the Xr and pretty much as good as my "proper" phone, an 17Pro. It's got 4G RAM instead of 12G but it performs almost as well. Xr->12 is a huge leap in performance and I noticed it straight away. But the 12 against the 17 is much harder to see the difference. Less redraw of icons on the main screen is the primary thing I've noticed.

Re: iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max

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Post by bayindirh »

embedding-shape wrote: post #232
ks2048 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that became popular, the AIs would learn how to generate a realistic depth map along with any generated image.

Even simpler, a 3D printed relief with an image "stamped" on it, now you effectively have a 3D image.

…and the PDAF data will show how shallow it is.

Re: iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max

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Post by Gigachad »

WarmWash wrote: post #117
nobleach wrote: post #15

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> the most advanced camera in an iPhone I mean, I can't remember the last time they DIDN'T say that. Variable aperture is kinda cool I guess. 256Gigs of storage basically means everyone's going to have to upgrade their iCloud storage monthly spend just to back this thing up. I've stopped sending my camera roll to iCloud just to save on space.

Camera quality actually topped out a decade ago or so, and now it's become all post-processing trends that define "best". Not unlike the "Best jacket of the season" being the one that is most fashionable as opposed to the most functional.

This is not even close to true. I took a bunch of photos side by side with the iphone 13 pro and the 17 pro. The 17 pro was unmistakably much better, particularly on the telephoto, it wasn't even close. There was a very clear improvement in detail and sharpness, and not in a crunchy post processing way, the sensor is simply larger and higher resolution.

Now I think all the iphone cameras still suck compared to an actual camera, but the improvement over the last 10 years has been dramatic.

Re: iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max

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Post by [deleted] »

andrewmutz wrote: post #86
quinncom wrote: post #66

I love that it has a feature to prove images came from the real world: > Users can now prove the authenticity of a photo taken on iPhone 18 Pro models with Apple Reference Image, powered by the new sensor in the Main camera that can sign every pixel it sees. When a photo is taken in the new Reference mode, the camera captures signed sensor data that Private Cloud Compute develops into an unalterable reference image.5…

Can't I just point my camera at an AI generated image? And it will get the stamp of authenticity?

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Re: iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max

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Post by selcuka »

dabinat wrote: post #112
andrewmutz wrote: post #86

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Can't I just point my camera at an AI generated image? And it will get the stamp of authenticity?

It would be great if they could use the LiDAR scanner to sign a depth map of the scene in front of the camera. It would show if you photographed a flat image.

One can 3d-print the AI generated image and photograph that. /s

Re: iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max

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Post by Exoristos »

JK-Swizzle wrote: post #175
lotsofpulp wrote: post #142

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I have an iphone 13mini at 5 years and 81% capacity.

Very jealous over here. I had a 12 mini whose battery dropped off a cliff just in time for the mini line to get discontinued. Big phones are overrated.

You didn't replace the battery[0]?

0. https://www.ifixit.com/products/iphone-13-mini-battery

Re: iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max

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Post by embedding-shape »

bayindirh wrote: post #235
embedding-shape wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even simpler, a 3D printed relief with an image "stamped" on it, now you effectively have a 3D image.

…and the PDAF data will show how shallow it is.

... don't make it so shallow then. Perfectly possible in a consumer-friendly 3D printer for a face or even human body if you have lots of time for the prints.
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