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Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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Post by johannes1234321 »

Filligree wrote: post #367
butlike wrote: post #326

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> please restate what i'm asking you to do and why it's important" This doesn't actually do anything though, right? There's no understanding, so the machine will just reiterate the original token query back to you. The 'why it's important' part will just generate some patronizing boilerplate as a raison d'etre.

The purpose of a prompt like that is to have it rephrase it in its own words, so you can spot any misunderstandings and correct them. If you're of the belief that this is a contradiction in terms, then what can I say? It works.

But it doesn't "understand" these words any better. When transforming into code it may reinterpret yet again.

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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Post by rnjesus »

dpark wrote: post #328
rnjesus wrote: post #309

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> How do they use it? as an example, i was using chatgpt a few weeks back to help me remember the name of a painting i’d seen about a decade ago. i could recall the general shape of the subject and that it was europeanish, but nothing else. after seven turns or so it finally got it, and honestly, the relief of finally remembering the name felt like, well, hitting a jackpot i’ve had a similar feeling of success after…

> the relief of finally remembering the name felt like, well, hitting a jackpot I understand the joy of success but I fail to see how this is gambling. I could have an equivalent conversation with a friend (more likely about a movie in trying to remember than a painting, but still) and get the exact same type of iterative “no, not that one, it was more like X” and feel elated when my friend finally realizes I’m takin…

sorry, maybe my english is failing me here. what i was getting at is that using ai feels like gambling to me, where tokens, time, etc. are wagered against the chance for desired output. the risk is that you waste your tokens/time, and the prize is a useful answer (if not the exact code/solution/whatever one was hoping for)

i wasn’t trying to convince you, i’m just explaining that this is gambling in a meaningful sense to some people, especially with how turn-based and unpredictable the whole system is. whether it is actually gambling (semantically, legally, ontologically?) isn’t really interesting imo. what’s interesting is that it’s structured similarly and feels nearly identical to some people

but then, i also feel like there’s an element of gambling in the example of you talking with your friend, though i think it would be better illustrated if it was a conversation with a random person

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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Post by shmeeed »

SoftTalker wrote: post #192
btown wrote: post #188

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Hacker News is the epitome of this! If you find yourself not enjoying your daily dose of "someone is wrong on the internet" (via the immortal https://xkcd.com/386/ ) as you find yourself crafting the perfect response, you can always close the tab!

I actually don't end up clicking the "reply" button on a good portion of the replies I start to write.

This is the way.

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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Post by classified »

dudeinhawaii wrote: post #164

Great site, triggered memories! haha. To try to add something to this discussion -- I think that while I've seen these sort of loops less --- what I have seen is "overly helpful". Models nowadays want to double-triple-quadruple check things. I'm being silly but it verges on "I have a working solution but let me write a variation in Rust to ensure a convergent solution and prove this works". I've had to stop models no…

Well, they have to crank up the token spend somehow!

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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Post by throwaway7783 »

bahbahbahbah wrote: post #295
dudeinhawaii wrote: post #164

Great site, triggered memories! haha. To try to add something to this discussion -- I think that while I've seen these sort of loops less --- what I have seen is "overly helpful". Models nowadays want to double-triple-quadruple check things. I'm being silly but it verges on "I have a working solution but let me write a variation in Rust to ensure a convergent solution and prove this works". I've had to stop models no…

Plus rigorously ensuring backwards compatibility for a project that is 2 hours old and has zero users.

Yes. This one is a major issue. It keeps track of various changes it made in the same session and tries to be backward compatible. Have to repeatedly tell not to be backward compatible.

Things that are automatic for humans and aren't even consciously registered, have to be explicitly stated and even fought for, with LLMs.

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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Post by classified »

jacobgkau wrote: post #374
tsukikage wrote: post #280

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Realise that you are talking to some mathematics in a box. You can't get a rise out of it. It cannot feel guilt or remorse. Whatever emotional payoff one might want from "I asked for ONE button" cannot be had here. Meanwhile, not only are you being charged by the word, but every word you send that is not directly on the path to getting what you want done is just noise in the maths getting in your way. So leave emotio…

> Meanwhile, not only are you being charged by the word, I've never explicitly paid for AI and never will. I only use the free Claude, etc. So I'm happy to waste THEIR electricity telling their machine how much of a piece of garbage it is and hoping that sentiment gets back in some form to the dumb humans making such a dumb product. It's not like they don't evaluate performance with usage data. (Afterwards, I do also…

> waste THEIR electricity

Thank you for helping us heat the planet.

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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Post by uliqquel »

bmacho wrote: post #153
taeric wrote: post #119

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I'm growing increasingly confident that this is how people often work, as well.

No. People have an inner monologue, partial results and ideas and they remember that. If they've worked some minutes/hours/weeks on something and you ask them why did they do that, they will either answer honestly and truthfully, lie, or say "I missed that/didn't seem important so I just chose something at random". None of these cases are similar to how AI works.

Models with reasoning > Instant have an inner monologue and when asked why they did something they can deduce based on that monologue. I have asked things like "what steps did you take" and "what was your reasoning" and the answer matched the thinking output of the model.

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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Post by theendisney »

lathiat wrote: post #145
taeric wrote: post #119

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I'm growing increasingly confident that this is how people often work, as well.

“Post Hoc Rationalisation” https://www.patheos.com/blogs/tippling/2013/11/14/post-hoc-r...

And when that fails resort to paralel costruction.

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