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I Don't Want to Interact with Stochastic Parrots

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Re: I Don't Want to Interact with Stochastic Parrots

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post #8

We are all stochastic parrots. Currently, millions of years of evolutionary pressure have produced a better algorithm than a few years of optimization pressure but we’ll see how long that remains true!

You are not just a stochastic parrot. Your speech is not just "next likely word", but a product of your internal model of the world.

Evidence suggests LLMs have internal models as well.

Re: I Don't Want to Interact with Stochastic Parrots

#34

You won't be able to choose at some point, and you probably already read plenty of AI generated stuff, it's a survivorship bias. I have a SKILL that emulates how my supervisor prefers his answers and papers, he used to get triggered by generated stuff, but now it just writes in a style he likes which I got from a bunch of his papers and everything goes smoother. If you are bottlenecking someone they will just do the…

I think the dev holdouts will have to give in on the PR reviews. They catch things and you are delivering less secure software to real people if the luddite desires trump real results for the sake of some false purity test.

Maybe we just shouldn't fill out every optional text field with as much Claude nonsense as it can possibly fill in there. It really feels like they went from "Co-authored-by" propaganda to "You'll know, don't worry. Just watch these invisible watermarks!"

Here's an AI-generated pull request I made, but you wouldn't know because there's no slop:

https://github.com/numtide/devshell/commit/a67c0f87b63bcbdbd...

It got merged by someone who is too busy to respond to personal emails.

"Don't waste my precious attention" is only getting more real.

Re: I Don't Want to Interact with Stochastic Parrots

#35
If I get even a whiff of AI smell from an email I receive, the sender gets permablocked. My attention is too valuable for you to insult me by subjecting me to your slop. Take the time for some human interaction. If it's not worth your time to do so, then it most certainly isn't worth mine, either.

Re: I Don't Want to Interact with Stochastic Parrots

#36
post #32

Do those people feel important by objecting on those tools? Like they are above others?

I'm getting downvoted while the article itself got flagged.

I still don't understand given the advancement in those models (both closed and open source) one could have such a reductionist view on them. And my only guess is that they derive the feeling of importance through the act of rebellion. Almost like a teenage rebelling against others.

But it doesn't take much to see this tech is here to stay.

Re: I Don't Want to Interact with Stochastic Parrots

#37
post #22

> You cannot assume anything about generated code. Maybe it was simply hallucinated and, by chance, it compiled. This is, ironically, similar to my mom's anti-mental-healthcare argument that the system producing a good outcome is not evidence that the process is correct. It's everyone's choice what stances they take, and if being utterly opposed to any kind of AI interaction is their's, that's their choice, but just…

I'm praying that you're not a developer

Worse, I'm someone who's been reviewing code for a long time. And it's not much different now than it was before.

Re: I Don't Want to Interact with Stochastic Parrots

#38
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm praying that you're not a developer

Worse, I'm someone who's been reviewing code for a long time. And it's not much different now than it was before.

If you believe that compilation proves that the code is good, and that the only thing you should care about a program is if "it works", I don't think you're a great code reviewer.

And in any case, if the code you had experience with (and produced?) before AIs was stack overflow answers pasted together, it's not surprising that you don't see any worsening.

Btw, if your idea of LLMs is of something doing "mathematical approximation", you have some reading to do; and I won't say what I consider pretentious BS.

Re: I Don't Want to Interact with Stochastic Parrots

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I'm very sorry to say it, but even reading LLM-slop is less tiresome, then reading yet another anti-AI slop article. It's a pretty low bar. I could find 10 anti-AI posts on HN and they all will contain points from a very narrow pool of anti-AI takes. I mean, how many more times do you need to repeat them? > stochastic algorithms trained to produce tons of "average," non-human content As we can see, humans are also qu…

> I mean, how many more times do you need to repeat them?

Exactly! It's not as if humans are special (though LLM's certainly are). Humans, they've been the same for thousands of years, same old stories (there's like only 7 archetypal stories they've ever come up with). Same old poems, love this, romance that blah blah blah!

We certainly don't need yet another anti-AI article, same as all the others. Though as it's written entirely by a human who must have thought about every word, certainly poles apart from an LLM generated article one, I'll give him credit for making the effort.

Re: I Don't Want to Interact with Stochastic Parrots

#40

I'm very sorry to say it, but even reading LLM-slop is less tiresome, then reading yet another anti-AI slop article. It's a pretty low bar. I could find 10 anti-AI posts on HN and they all will contain points from a very narrow pool of anti-AI takes. I mean, how many more times do you need to repeat them? > stochastic algorithms trained to produce tons of "average," non-human content As we can see, humans are also qu…

"...ven reading LLM-slop is less tiresome, then reading..." You meant "than."
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