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Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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post #179

The timing is interesting. Stylex (Metas CSS in JS library) is taking off right now because it seems a better fit for AI driven coding in the long run.

Apparently they did a long experiment with Stylex at Shopify and found that it was "a wash in every metric":

https://xcancel.com/argyleink/status/2095253698431844607

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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This is awful.

R.I.P. Tailwind.

Edit: To clarify, I mean being assimilated by Shopify is awful. I understand that the Tailwind devs were neutered by AI skynet slop taking over before - that is also awful. That's actually two awful news we get here in one news entry.

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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I thought Laravel would've been the one to scoop them up, but I'm glad they landed with Shopify. Adam's a solid dude and what him and his team have done to commoditize web design is to be lauded. To think it started as a side project and grew to the scale it did. Very impressive work.

How well is Laravel doing nowadays?

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Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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post #6

Here's some context on the impact AI had on the Tailwind Labs business model from January: https://github.com/tailwindlabs/tailwindcss.com/pull/2388#is... > But the reality is that 75% of the people on our engineering team lost their jobs here yesterday because of the brutal impact AI has had on our business. [...] > Traffic to our docs is down about 40% from early 2023 despite Tailwind being more popular than ever.…

I've always loved Tailwind, but at this point I'm not exactly sure why Shopify acquired them.

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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post #15

They are buying the people and the brand. Even Adam admitted that AI impacted dramatically their business. Selling UI templates in the current era is likely a dead end, even with a brand as strong as Tailwind. I hope Adam and the team are well and good with this decision. Tailwind is regularly debated here for various reasons, using it helped me have a better understanding of CSS, HTML and design, and made me a bette…

> Even Adam admitted that AI impacted dramatically their business. Even the bossman admitted that AI fired his employees, not the boss. I guess that’s why people talk so much about leadership this leadership that. I’m learning that leadership is when you are the captain of the ship and the ship goes down you man the lifeboat and mourn your sailors over what the Sea did to them.

In this specific case (Tailwind Labs) I don't understand this sentiment at all. It was a completely bootstrapped company! Its entire existence is due to the many years of difficult work by its founders.

What exact outcome would correctly align with "good leadership" in your view? It sounds like you think the CEO/cofounder should have "gone down with the ship" here -- how does that help anyone if it means the entire company would have failed?

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The shape of business moats are changing. There's probably a lot of businesses that are suddenly non-viable as currently designed. Being a bit silly with the analogy: it's like we've discovered gunpowder and now entire classes of fortification are deficient.

What you said re moats might be true but can't actually be concluded from the Tailwind story. Traffic to the funnel dropped by more than half. That easily explains their problems, and says nothing about moats. Tailwind had a solid funnel and a good product. Now they only have a good product. That's enough to kill a business. If (or more likely when) Google loses money because LLMs are replacing search, that's a story…

I was imagining their moat was having a monopoly on where you go to get documentation for the free product, and that's how they sell the for-profit product. If that monopoly is lost (people get the answers they need without going to the store), the moat is gone.

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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post #179

The timing is interesting. Stylex (Metas CSS in JS library) is taking off right now because it seems a better fit for AI driven coding in the long run.

Linear adopted stylex as well and published a comprehensive write up https://linear.app/now/styling-linear-for-the-future-stylex

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

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post #42

Serious question: is there a need to reach for tailwind if you are building a new site? Won't using vanilla CSS while taking advantage of the latest features be pretty good, since humans are not manually making edits (which removes many of the pain points of maintaining CSS), while simplifying dependency and the build pipeline?

I believe if react had made inline styling of components less verbose then tailwind wouldn't exist

Re: Shopify acquires Tailwind

#290
post #42

Serious question: is there a need to reach for tailwind if you are building a new site? Won't using vanilla CSS while taking advantage of the latest features be pretty good, since humans are not manually making edits (which removes many of the pain points of maintaining CSS), while simplifying dependency and the build pipeline?

I started with a UI framework thinking I'd need it but over time I realized that I was using it exclusively for button theming and setting the default font. I was using vanilla CSS and vanilla JavaScript and after removing the framework my package sizes reflect that fact.
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