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Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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Growing proof that PR for autonomous car companies has aligned on a strategy of painting you as a bad person if you want to drive your own car, and therefore you should pay them money to continue being a good person.

The knee-jerk conspiratorial reactions to new technology is depressing to see on HN. Do better.

Yeah, it's just "new technology". Like those Flock cameras, I guess.

Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

#82
post #7

Growing proof that PR for autonomous car companies has aligned on a strategy of painting you as a bad person if you want to drive your own car, and therefore you should pay them money to continue being a good person.

Your us vs them mentality regarding cars is really strange. You've previously said you think bicyclists are the "worst people".

Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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ADAS + human driver seems enough to solve most of the shortcomings of both human and robot drivers. Full self-driving doesn't strike me as necessary to prevent deaths.

The problem with mostly-but-not-entirely autonomous is that humans will tend to treat it like entirely autonomous.

It doesn't help when manufacturers call their mostly-but-not-entirely autonomous systems Full Self Driving

Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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ADAS + human driver seems enough to solve most of the shortcomings of both human and robot drivers. Full self-driving doesn't strike me as necessary to prevent deaths.

There is a moral hazard with ADAS + human drivers: > Once drivers move from the novelty phase to the post-novelty operational phase, behavioral adaptation may begin to occur and overreliance and over-trust in the automation features potentially develop, including a greater willingness to look away from the forward road (as shown in the VCC data set). [1] I'm not sure if this is more dangerous than strictly human-oper…

There was research some years ago in Sweden that cars with 4WD get into accidents 20% - 30% more often than cars with 2WD. And cars with 4WD averaged 10% higher speed at the moment of the crash.

The cause was found to be drivers with 2WD losing a little traction early in their drove and subsequently slowing down, while drivers with 4WD just kept driving like normal until they were suddenly off the road.

Another statistic is that intoxicated or otherwise impaired drivers cause more than half of all fatalities. So making a solution with machine learning and cameras that could retrofit into any existing car and just deny starting the car for such drivers, and having insurance companies cut premiums for having such gadgets installed, would be much more effective than any form of self driving or similar.

https://mb.cision.com/wpyfs/00/00/00/00/00/3E/5A/A2/wkr0011....

Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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The article sensibly asks if the (intentionally or not) cherry-picked stats about automated driving (fair weather only, limited to specific areas that aren't especially difficult) is valid then cites a study that really massages those stats in a dubious way (e.g. only counts as a crash if the airbag triggered, no mention of weather). Hmmm...

Another thing I'd really like to know: let's suppose that these are indeed safer than the average driver. Is it also the case for the median driver?

Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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I have a feeling that once everything goes EV and autopilot, they will start phasing out regular cars or will make it more difficult to obtain the license.

Also, the autonomous car companies will have their vehicles coordinating to make it difficult for humans to drive, such as holding a long convoy with close following distance in a single lane.

Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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I wonder to what extent this effect comes from the fact that robotaxis don't get drunk.

I seem to recall a paper showing that human crash frequencies surge up to 6x between midnight and 4am on weekends, despite that traffic accounting for only a miniscule percentage of vehicle miles traveled.

Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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post #76

Isn't it... quite a well known thing?

The articles I've read on this have said it's murky because of obfuscation of reported data by self-driving companies. The target article even notes that "while Waymo leads the industry in transparency, and robotaxi operators are required to report even the tiniest scrape to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), not every company voluntarily reports their total miles driven." My sense is that th…

They can also massage the numbers by only driving on the safest roads, then making a comparison based solely on miles driven.

The comparisons I've seen are with the general population, not professional drivers. How might that comparison look, since this is a paid service?

Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are dismissing this as "unhelpful negativity", but are not addressing in any way the obvious (and rather malicious, I would say) PR play that parent comment points out. This is exactly the message, and I for one welcome the anti-cool-aid sentiments being very visible in public spaces.

>the obvious (and rather malicious, I would say) PR play that parent comment points out. The author Lawrence Ulrich references research from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. Why would it be "obvious" that they are paid PR shills for Tesla/Waymo? I'm jaded and cynical so I can accept that they may be secret PR mouthpieces but isn't it reasonable to expect a little evidence rather than just throwing out a ra…

IIHS works for the insurance industry who will happily throw you under the bus if it makes things more predictable on their side. Not better, not lower claims, more predictable.

The alignment between what is good for you and good for the interests they answer two is not all that much.

But of course, they work very hard to market themselves as peddlers purely of safety, after all only a barbarian would be against safety

This isn't to say that some people they don't care, but giving a crap isn't gonna change the incentives.

Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Automatic braking alone is a huge deal Except I had to turn it off for my Ford E-Transit, because it will freak out at nothing. Sometimes it screams at me for cars that aren't even in my lane that suddenly slowed. Sometimes it misjudges a ripple in the crappy asphalt here as an obstacle I'm going to hit. There is a high chance its going to brake for no reason at all and cause an accident. I left the warning system o…

Fords seem notorious for this but usually can be fixed. Have you tried driving it to a dealership and trading it in?

Multiple times actually, lmao. Unfortunately its only worth $19,000 currently (sticker price of $67,000 three years ago)
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