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The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

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Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

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No one needs a compromise. The world (except the US) agreed to use this new map together. It's not a conflict.

"The world" is not represented by the UN General Assembly. Did you vote for your representative?

The UN does not dictate which map you or your government or your school or Google uses.

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

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post #17
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>I know the UN claims that "Correcting cartographic distortions of continental sizes constitutes an act of cognitive justice and memorial reparation." but it's purely symbolic and changes nothing geopolitically. Symbols are arguably the most important aspect of geopolitics.

Yeah… the US condemnations of the Axis powers is what really turned the tide, joining into the war later was really a post-script right?

Counterpoint: the Cold War was pretty much all about geopolitical symbols, e.g. the Berlin Wall, nuclear deterrence, the Space Race, counting Olympic medals.

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

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> I know the UN claims that "Correcting cartographic distortions of continental sizes constitutes an act of cognitive justice and memorial reparation." but it's purely symbolic and changes nothing geopolitically. This is kind of personally embarrassing, but due to seeing Mercator maps all the time growing up it wasn't until later in life that I realized that Greenland isn't actually a gigantic landmass the size of Af…

I'd bet a lot of money that Trump and all the others pushing for a U.S. "liberation" of Greenland also think it is a similar size to Africa, not 1/14th the size. Africa is 14x larger, but near the same size on the maps our leaders have grown up with for 80+ years. This has clearly influenced geopolitics. Which is the point of the UN. Which is just a container for what the countries of the world want to agree on. When…

> This has clearly influenced geopolitics

Citation needed. This feels like the entire hubub from leftists about how schools use the normal map because of racism and not because its actually useful.

Of course they were lying the entire time.

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

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Robinson projection is a good enough, boring compromise, if the UN was interested in that.

I'm partial to the Goode Homolosine projection, next is whatever NatGeo standardized on. Of course, the best is an actual globe --but decent sized ones are too expensive and the beach ball ones are just not very well made.

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

#36

What's the material difference between this and Trump's "my button is bigger"[1] nonsense or the renaming of various bodies of water? I know the UN claims that "Correcting cartographic distortions of continental sizes constitutes an act of cognitive justice and memorial reparation." but it's purely symbolic and changes nothing geopolitically. My personal favourite equal-area projection is something like Boggs eumorph…

> I know the UN claims that "Correcting cartographic distortions of continental sizes constitutes an act of cognitive justice and memorial reparation." but it's purely symbolic and changes nothing geopolitically. This is kind of personally embarrassing, but due to seeing Mercator maps all the time growing up it wasn't until later in life that I realized that Greenland isn't actually a gigantic landmass the size of Af…

> many tasks where Mercator would be more useful than an equal-area projection.

What sort of tasks besides a size measuring contest is an equal area projection good for?

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

#37
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah… the US condemnations of the Axis powers is what really turned the tide, joining into the war later was really a post-script right?

Counterpoint: the Cold War was pretty much all about geopolitical symbols, e.g. the Berlin Wall, nuclear deterrence, the Space Race, counting Olympic medals.

> Berlin Wall, nuclear deterrence, the Space Race, counting Olympic medals

I'm sure the guns trained on people trying to cross the Berlin wall to the west was just a "symbol", or the nuclear tests to prove that superpowers could kill everyone, or the people who died during the space race to send someone to the Moon. Olympics, sure whatever.

Yes, a nonbinding UN resolution that does a stupid thing that no one has to care about is a symbol, just one no one cares about because its nonbinding.

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

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It's kind of funny how the colonial convenience of having the 0 longitude line pass through Greenwich, UK ends up making Africa the most prominent place on the world map, since the centerpoint (0,0) is just off the African coast. This was true with Mercator as well, but Equal Earth emphasizes just how huge the African continent actually is.

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

#39
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one needs a compromise. The world (except the US) agreed to use this new map together. It's not a conflict.

"The world" is not represented by the UN General Assembly. Did you vote for your representative?

I didn't vote for a foreign minister of my country, but his job is to represent my country, including in UN. This is fine.

Re: The UN challenges five centuries of cartography

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What's the material difference between this and Trump's "my button is bigger"[1] nonsense or the renaming of various bodies of water? I know the UN claims that "Correcting cartographic distortions of continental sizes constitutes an act of cognitive justice and memorial reparation." but it's purely symbolic and changes nothing geopolitically. My personal favourite equal-area projection is something like Boggs eumorph…

The main difference is that the UN didn’t force anything and isn’t unilaterally deciding what projection to use. The countries decided together to use a new default when showing the world map, that’s it. You can still use whatever projection you want, nothing will happen to you. > it's purely symbolic and changes nothing geopolitically. That’s literally what the UN is for. The UN isn’t a supranational organization fi…

>The UN isn’t a supranational organization fixing conflicts.

It kinda is, it also have powers to authorize invasions. Not that any of this works in practice, but that's what is for.

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