The gold standard remains to code things yourself.
Ask HN: Anyone still coding like 2021? Where do you work?
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Re: Ask HN: Anyone still coding like 2021? Where do you work?
#82I don't touch LLMs for any purpose (when I can help it, they are frequently shoved in your face regardless); and up until recently was doing just fine. I was fired for this stance, not for performance reasons (officially stated that there was no concern with my output), only for political reasons (insubordination, refusing to use LLMs to do my work for me). I have been seeing fewer and fewer job ads that ask for/requ…
Seems to me you at least have to try using them, so you can make a coherent case why you work just as well or better without them.
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[1] Though if things go the way of the hype, there will either be many fewer dev jobs, or most of them will become lower paid, or both - so long term that might not be as big a deal if you aren't one of the top people²
[2] Which I know I aren't!
[3] if it isn't, then the claims that it is revolutionary are false
[5] I could be made redundant by the same distinction, by being given the choice of redundancy or moving to an AI-based role, but I can live with that
[6] Especially those of use who have been around long enough to have a pile of experience/knowledge, generally or for a specific industry.
Re: Ask HN: Anyone still coding like 2021? Where do you work?
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I’m starting every morning with a LeetCode problem. Keeping with your example, this is the equivalent of going to the gym just to do a single set on the bench press. Your brain is still atrophying.
Sure about that? The effort put into a leetcode medium or hard is usually way above the kind of code i’m mostly doing at work — and realistically i only have at most 2 hours a day of that level of work in me, the rest is the autopilot code, reviews meetings, docs etc. I’ve found aoc/leetcode pretty much reversed the accidental atrophy for me
Re: Ask HN: Anyone still coding like 2021? Where do you work?
#84Re: Ask HN: Anyone still coding like 2021? Where do you work?
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe that "have to" is a little strong, no? I think my case was made just as well by remaining one of the only people in my team able to critically analyse changes and plan complex work after three years of the rest of my company diving headlong into the vibe-pit.
>I believe that "have to" is a little strong, no? Yeah, you don't HAVE TO do anything your employer tells you to do. And they don't HAVE TO keep you employed. That's the deal. >by remaining one of the only people in my team able to critically analyse changes and plan complex work Your employer doesn't actually care about this. They care about whether or not you make them more money than you cost them. Obviously that'…
Depends where you are. In the UK at least they can't force a material change of role on you or sake you for refusing. They can make you redundant, of course, which amounts to the same thing if you are relatively new to the industry.
> Your employer doesn't actually care about this.
That is true.
> They care about whether or not you make them more money than you cost them.
Unless there is a miraculous improvement in efficiency very soon, that balance is going to change a bit at least temporarily as all the investment capital that the industry is currently haemorrhaging starts to get called in (or it turns out that half the money being passed around in circles no longer really exists as soon as things turn as the value is being propped up by people believing in the value).
If that doesn't happen and the hype continues then dev work is set to be commoditised as much as hospitality work, and we'll end up screwed whether we've played the game or not. It is some way into happening for designers and writers, the bottom has fallen out of employment in accountancy and other areas already too, dev work in various forms is very much next if things continue on the current path.
> what they're being directed to do
I'm not being directed to go AI, yet. That is definitely something that is blocking the light from the other end of the tunnel, but how long that tunnel is has yet to be determined.
> probably not the best bet for someone to keep around
If being kept around means a future sitting in a room alone with nothing for company but Claude/similar, I'd much rather not thanks.
Re: Ask HN: Anyone still coding like 2021? Where do you work?
#86Interviews require you to code without any LLM help. 9/10 require this still. Once inside, I don’t think they write any code themselves.
I don't think this is true. The interviews I had were all impossible without AI given the time frame.
Re: Ask HN: Anyone still coding like 2021? Where do you work?
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I’m starting every morning with a LeetCode problem. Keeping with your example, this is the equivalent of going to the gym just to do a single set on the bench press. Your brain is still atrophying.
Sure about that? The effort put into a leetcode medium or hard is usually way above the kind of code i’m mostly doing at work — and realistically i only have at most 2 hours a day of that level of work in me, the rest is the autopilot code, reviews meetings, docs etc. I’ve found aoc/leetcode pretty much reversed the accidental atrophy for me
Re: Ask HN: Anyone still coding like 2021? Where do you work?
#88Having a weird experience with this at work. We are being told to use it, but the amount of flip flopping on whether or not we can use ChatGPT or Codex or anything else has left a lot of us without any clear direction. One day it’s allowed, the next day IT security guys have blocked it. Local models are also not allowed. I’m carrying on coding everything myself, because I can’t keep changing my workflow when IT chang…
Re: Ask HN: Anyone still coding like 2021? Where do you work?
#89I don't touch LLMs for any purpose (when I can help it, they are frequently shoved in your face regardless); and up until recently was doing just fine. I was fired for this stance, not for performance reasons (officially stated that there was no concern with my output), only for political reasons (insubordination, refusing to use LLMs to do my work for me). I have been seeing fewer and fewer job ads that ask for/requ…
Re: Ask HN: Anyone still coding like 2021? Where do you work?
#90In my company they give each one claude code. The transition of winning an argument change to “claude said…” which are fucking annoying facing this shit in daily basis. Code base becoming a blackbox where god and AI know what its like, every function have 4 line of paragraph historically describing changes from past to the future. Im thinking of resigning because i cant bear this shit anymore but seems like its not b…
All to eventually fire you if the manager can just do everything themselves, if the AI hype hold up.