Shiny layer of marketing and proprietary code on top of open models? Voz is Parakeet 0.6B v3 Clear is DeepFilterNet 3 Ear is the language predictor from whisper-tiny ...
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>Because they own the IP and they get to decide the terms of how it’s licensed. how'd that work out for the rest of IP owners that had their stuff used as training data for use in model creation? was the material they trained on produced in-house?
Use as training data has been tested in court multiple times and cleared. I know some people want it to be a legal violation, but it’s not. Also these are audio models, if you hadn’t noticed. The training sets for this type of work is very different than the corpus of scraped GitHub repos.
Presumably it's fine to train a model on their model then?
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#74Shiny layer of marketing and proprietary code on top of open models? Voz is Parakeet 0.6B v3 Clear is DeepFilterNet 3 Ear is the language predictor from whisper-tiny ...
but they're European!
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>Because they own the IP and they get to decide the terms of how it’s licensed. how'd that work out for the rest of IP owners that had their stuff used as training data for use in model creation? was the material they trained on produced in-house?
Use as training data has been tested in court multiple times and cleared. I know some people want it to be a legal violation, but it’s not. Also these are audio models, if you hadn’t noticed. The training sets for this type of work is very different than the corpus of scraped GitHub repos.
This is not even remotely settled law yet, what an absolute falsehood!
It will take years for the hundreds of jurisdictions in the world to write new laws and (in common law countries) establish new precedent.
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How was it built?
We design in Figma. Build a design system out that with components for all our public facing products, demos and marketing assets. The website is built with the components, and we have a set of skills and tools to keep both in sync. We also use skills to sync between HuggingFace, our SDK on GitHub and the website. We write and review most our core copy by hand and use that to help expand into different pages. We prob…
brilliant !
Would love to see a deep dive on your component design system & copy process.
Here is to more beauty in the world - both physical & digital :)
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#77Honestly this is a really cool idea and i am glad that there are companies being built in this space. This is closest to the vision of what i want to do next.
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I'm old enough to remember buying software in cardboard boxes at Bestbuy. > I don't know how to respond to this point, it's a bit of a strawman. Why is it a strawman? I can sell you software for $100 once or I can sell it to you for $10/month. I don't think anyone is suggesting that I'm gonna sell it for $10 once though. In particular, Desert Ant is saying their software is free for 100k active devices per SDK. That'…
50k annually for a static set of weights is actually crazy, though. As in - I make software for a living and they can fuck off. Produce the item. Sell the item at a cost you find reasonable. Convince me to buy it again with an upgrade that's worth buying. Period. There's no "service" happening here. If anything, the proposed cost model just makes me incredibly unlikely to engage at all, because it means they're going…
They're not selling it to you/it doesn't come out of your salary?
They're selling it to your employer. You're literally not even the customer for this product. There's no need to get angry that they're charging enterprise/vendor rates for a product.
And it's free for up to 100k devices. If you are running anything on 100k devices you should be able to afford $0.50/device and. If you aren't then why do you care? It's still a very customer-permissive and flexible business model so I cannot understand why this is upsetting or offensive
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#80This is a cool way of approaching AI models. I'm a big fan of local LLMs, local specific models like this should be even more powerful. > Every model is free up to 100k monthly active devices. No tokens, no logins. I dunno about the business model though. Cloud LLM billing makes sense: you're getting another computer to do work with each request, and using their compute via their gateway that they bill you. These loc…
As far as I can see there is no clear pricing once you go beyond the free tier - it's contact sales.
This is actually a classic enterprise software approach - as there are no fixed per unit production costs to cover, the pricing is very elastic.
ie each license is probably a negotiation - if you see your app for a one off fee then they want a one-off cut - if you sell a subscription they may want a cut of that instead.
Obviously the risk is if you bake it in and your app becomes successful they may want a larger cut than you can afford, but if they don't negotiate in good faith they won't last very long.