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Post by surgical_fire »

vanuatu wrote: post #581
surgical_fire wrote: post #537

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> serving models is very profitable (70%+) All your argument hangs on this. I see no evidence of this being true.

https://www.seangoedecke.com/ai-inference-is-obviously-profi... https://www.mindstudio.ai/blog/anthropic-inference-margins-7... its even higher depending on the model, how optimized it is, and the chips! I wouldnt die on this hill

This is not evidence. This is random people speculating on Anthropic's margins without any real evidence.

Just because it is on some blog post, it does not make it true.

I wasted the time to read the first blog post. It considers 100% utilization over the course of years to calculate an estimation, and it did not consider depreciation for the model itself. That thing is extremely extensive to create, and after a relatively short amount of time is considered outdated.

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Post by lores »

illiac786 wrote: post #588
lores wrote: post #578

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Or it would be gone. Or it would be in the hands of psychopaths. Europe trades off the extremes for a better middle. It doesn't produce quite as many big names, but US and EU economies are roughly the same size.

Ah, interesting I always thought USA’s GDP far ahead, but it’s not. Compared to EU it’s 20 vs. 30 trillions/y. Adding Switzerland, UK, etc. and it’s close.

PPP the EU is also about 30 trillions, which is probably the better measure since we're comparing production for domestic purposes.

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Post by oblio »

nickpp wrote: post #599
oblio wrote: post #477

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> Ecologism is a hobby for people with full bellies. Almost the entire planet where this debate is raging, is the part of the planet where people have full bellies. On average, too full, even. Ecologism is also a hobby for people that don't want their kids to starve, as people living in Mesopotamia around the time of Akkad, or people around the Sea of Aral starting in the 1980s have discovered.

> Almost the entire planet where this debate is raging, is the part of the planet where people have full bellies. Exactly. And most of the pollution happens in the other part. We’re crippling our economies and render our companies uncompetitive to merely export environmental effects around, while pushing our voter base to the extremes. All for naught too, because when the orc armies come (attracted by our weakness to…

> And most of the pollution happens in the other part.

Where does it happen exactly?

> All for naught too, because when the orc armies come (attracted by our weakness to even defend ourselves) they will do the the environment what they did in Ukraine…

Who are the orcs here? Russia? Europe is rearming like it's the 1980s.

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Post by tecleandor »

pimeys wrote: post #463
tecleandor wrote: post #360

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That's like top 1% salary for Germany. Maybe 3% if you count family units, or 0.5% for individual taxpayers. I'd say that's pretty good.

Yeah, and buying a house is still kind of out of reach with this income if you don't start paying your mortgage whey you're 20something...

Yep, at least in my case (Spain), given the price of the houses and that banks are giving mortgages for 70-80% of the value, tops, you better have 100K in the bank for the down payment if you want to live in a relatively big city. So even with a good salary, is difficult to buy a house.

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Post by swiftcoder »

foolfoolz wrote: post #564
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1. Does unlimited actually mean unlimited? If I want to take 2 months off every year will there be absolutely zero repercussions? The others are valid though.

unlimited does not mean unlimited because then you would take 365 days off each year. it means you don’t accrue or worry about a balance. i work at an “unlimited” company i see most engineers taking 25-30 days of PTO. it’s a bell curve and there’s outliers on either side but 4-5 weeks/year is quite reasonable

> it means you don’t accrue or worry about a balance

The flip side of this, is that you don't have a visible balance, so you have to calibrate what is an "acceptable" number of vacation days against what your coworkers take, and in competitive environments, that necessarily tends towards zero.

Plus, when you leave/are fired, the company doesn't have to payout a vacation balance, so they laugh all the way to the bank

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Post by rldjbpin »

we got access to their platform from work. the "best" model, or the one i've used the most so far is GLM-5.2!

for all the promise, i would temper my expectations for a frontier model for coding or general purpose. but for niche use cases (document parsing, voice*, etc.) and as a platform to handle finetuned versions, etc. for small-ish pilots, i can see the value of partnering with them.

if the core model could be any open-weights solution out there, the moat dissolves really quickly.

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Post by alexfortin »

maxhille wrote: post #370
alexfortin wrote: post #95

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I root for Mistral and hope they'll be successful, perhaps I'll buy a subscription too once they're good enough for coding aid (perhaps they are now, didn't do any test with their models recently). First of all, they release the models' weights, perdonally I don't consider any other option as viable (no OpenAI and definitely no Anthropic, thank you). I especially like their Vibe Chat web offer, the allowed monthly us…

They are now serving GLM52 and the 15€ sub comes with a nice included quota. So I get good code assist and pay a EU company for it.

Serving GLM-5.2? can you elaborate?

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Post by maxhille »

alexfortin wrote: post #607
maxhille wrote: post #370

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They are now serving GLM52 and the 15€ sub comes with a nice included quota. So I get good code assist and pay a EU company for it.

Serving GLM-5.2? can you elaborate?

They switched from using mistral-medium to GLM 5.2 in Vibe

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Post by mdp2021 »

tripledry wrote: post #265
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> don't care about benchmarks You must care about good benchmarks (identify those that have relevance).

Genuinely interested, which ones do you think have relevance? If I read forums and talk to people IRL most have differing opinions what model is best. Yes, for me it's pretty clear Opus is better than earlier models, but it's at least not obvious to me that the later are significant improvements.

Sorry for the delay.

It can be subjective, at this stage of product availability.

Personally, I hate to be frustrated by gross intellectual faults, so I did some research in the past about the best benchmarks to assess pure (simulated, apparent) intelligence. (The quality of the found benchmarks may not reflect what the models seem to do in practice, so one's experience should be compared to the raw numbers out of the benchmarks.) Good ideas emerge in the field: it was proposed and discussed on these very pages that the LLM should be able to solve "murder mysteries", for example (alongside the pattern recognition problems in which IQ tests consist, etc.).

Moreover, the LLM shall not delirate. It is an intrinsic issue with the current architectures (they do not mirror the "Foundational theory of Knowledge", which requires confidence values and relations of foundation between notions), but it is a problem with more or less presence per model. Artificial Analysis has introduced a metric for that.

Moreover again, I want an output style that works well for the purpose - must not be a clashing style like "youngspeak" ("like, awsome") or "paternalistspeak" ("when a planet likes another very much they are attracted...") or "sycophantspeak" ("your question is so deep and interesting") or "wetspeak" ("you can do it, feel this not that")... So, for example, I very much preferred Kimi k2 to gpt-oss-120b. I doubt there are benchmarks for this - "seriousspeak", "maturespeak" - but there should be.

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