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What will our economic future look like?

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I like how the least optimistic scenario is simply LLMs not making a difference, instead of the very real possibility of them damaging education, destroying people’s attention spans and their ability to learn, eroding trust within societies, increasing the wealth inequality and leading to class wars. I believe the net effect of LLMs is, at this point, firmly negative, and it’s going to take years until they start mak…

I noticed that LLMs prevent you from thinking on your own, or at least try to, by injecting their "helpful" suggestions when you need some idle time to think. On Amazon, for example, I was about to find something when their chatbot distracted me with its suggestions I didn't ask for.

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post #20

> As the nurse incorporates AI into her job, the nurse is able to oversee and accomplish more. She can spend more time talking with patients and helping them understand diagnoses. Productivity increases. This feels economically naïve.. If AI lets one nurse do the work that previously required two, the default pressure in a cost-driven system is not "great, now nurses can spend twice as long with patients" It is "grea…

It feels economically naive because theyre presuming LLMs are magical boxes that replace humans.

I doubt 99% of what a nurse does would be meaningfully aided by an LLM and where it would help it'd probably be a crappy band aid around a bigger festering issue anyway (e.g. poorly managed IT, deliberately confusing insurance processes).

Re: What will our economic future look like?

#145

I like how the least optimistic scenario is simply LLMs not making a difference, instead of the very real possibility of them damaging education, destroying people’s attention spans and their ability to learn, eroding trust within societies, increasing the wealth inequality and leading to class wars. I believe the net effect of LLMs is, at this point, firmly negative, and it’s going to take years until they start mak…

> and leading to class wars. Aren’t we overdue for one anyway.

Class war started about 15 years ago post 2007 financial crisis.

The banks and those who control them all knew where we are headed, so they got a little head start destabilizing democracy.

Once us working class get a grasp of the actual situation, we are going to be so deep in the hole, fighting back is going to be quite difficult when the "asset owners" own and control the majority of the worlds resources, all media, forms of communication, AI, technology infrastructure, mass surveillance. You name it, and they have already made massive efforts to make sure they own it.

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post #75

The biggest critisism from my side is not how AI will take over jobs but I believe we will see peak of certain things. Creating images (menues, flyers, whatever) became so cheap, that we reached peak graphi design GDP generation. This will go down. Software development for complex systems is enhanced but not yet solved. But a lot of small software development stuff for sure. We reached Peak Software Development and t…

Yeah, GDP with all its flaws is designed around economy based on buying and selling for prices. Interacting with other people. If you can really be rich and somehow do most things automatically without meaningfully hiring anybody (maybe only few people for simple manual labor for peanuts), at this point what is really the value of money? Except for maybe throwing minimal amounts to the masses. I can see the AI maximalist scenario taking us out of the monetary framework back into a medieval or natural economy almost.

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post #44

Finding 4 is a must-read: > Finding 4: Labor vs. capital share: The pie will grow, but a larger share might go to capital > Today, of each dollar the economy produces, about 60¢ goes to workers and 40¢ go to capital. Modest scenario: 40.6% to capital in 2030 (labor share down 0.6 points) Substantial scenario: 43.9% to capital in 2030 (labor share down 3.9 points) Extreme scenario: 54.8% to capital in 2030 (labor shar…

It's crazy how we all have to build the AI that will render us unemployed.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If, and that's a huge if, the savings are actually passed on to the customers rather than the capital owners.

Which is why we need competition. Which is almost non-existent in US healthcare as comparing prices is near impossible.

The incumbents can just swallow the competition and consolidate further. The end state of crony capitalism is always a monopoly.

Re: What will our economic future look like?

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I found myself interested in the papers analysis of wages, so I did some digging.

The researchers model says the following about hourly wage growth in the substantial and extreme scenarios:

- the hourly wage* in the knowledge workers group will fall (-1.1% and 11.5% respectively)

- but the hourly wage* of labor across the rest of the labor force will grow (5.9% and 33.6% respectively)

*Important to note, AFAIK this hourly wage decline/growth is a not measured against 2026 dollars, but the counterfactual of what hourly wages would be in the absence of AI.

Okay, so my first take away from reading these numbers is that declining wages in one group appears to be offset by rising wages in the other group. Not terrible all things considering.

But then I started to think about the difference in hourly wages between the knowledge workers group and the non-knowledge workers group (which I'll now refer to as *K* *N*). I had a sneaking suspicion that the inter group wages gap could be large enough where growth in the non-knowledge share of labor doesn't offset the loss in hourly wages from displaced knowledge workers who find themselves migrating occupations.

Looking through the paper, it breaks these groups down as follows:

K — Knowledge / Cognitive:

- Management, Business and Financial Operations, Computer and Mathematical, Architecture and Engineering, Life, Physical, and Social Science, Community and Social Service, Legal, Educational Instruction and Library, Arts, Design, Entertainment, Sports, and Media, Healthcare Practitioners and Technical, Sales and Related, Office and Administrative Support

N — Non-Knowledge / All Other:

-Healthcare Support, Protective Service, Food Preparation and Serving, Building and Grounds Cleaning and Maintenance, Personal Care and Service, Farming, Fishing, and Forestry, Construction and Extraction, Installation, Maintenance, and Repair, Production, Transportation and Material Moving

So I had GPT Sol 5.6 take each of these occupations and find the mean hourly wage using BLS data [1]. The findings suggest that as of 2026, the simple group average for K is $45.17 vs. $23.67 for N. But this is short sighted as this doesn't take into consideration the different levels of employment in each occupation. I asked ChatGPT to account for this using the same BLS data, which gives a weighted average of $41.50 for K and $23.40 for N.

This means that knowledge workers are currently making ~double what non-knowledge workers make in the US. The crucial question is how does this change when considering the wage decline/growth between K and N across the papers three scenarios?

Here's the breakdown using the simple mean for hourly wage:

Scenario Knowledge Non-knowledge Gap K -> N penalty

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Current $45.17 $23.67 $21.51 47.6%

Modest $45.35 $23.93 $21.42 47.2%

Substantial $45.03 $25.07 $19.97 44.3%

Extreme $39.98 $31.62 $ 8.35 20.9%

Here's the breakdown using the occupation weighted mean for hourly wage:

Scenario Knowledge Non-knowledge Gap K -> N penalty

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Current $41.50 $23.40 $18.10 43.6%

Modest $41.67 $23.66 $18.01 43.2%

Substantial $41.38 $24.78 $16.59 40.1%

Extreme $36.73 $31.26 $ 5.47 14.9%

Looking at these tables, both in the current moment and across all three of the papers scenario, there is a large wage gap between K and N. Outside of the extreme scenario, this gap is >40%!

My immediate takeaways having done this bit of research is that if Anthropic is right and we're on track for either the substantial or extreme scenarios, *then many of us in this thread could see a large loss in hourly wages in the short term future.*

NOTE: I'm not an economist. I push pixels for a living. But if you are an economist and you find gaps in the following analysis, please inform me.

[1] https://www.bls.gov/news.release/ocwage.t01.htm*

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