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Anthropic researcher says more than 10% chance AI "could kill all humans"

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Re: Anthropic researcher says more than 10% chance AI "could kill all humans"

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I’ve yet to see a rational argument for how we go from super intelligent LLMs to human extinction or extermination. I understand that some smart people are worried about it. I just haven’t come across a believable or understandable argument.

But it sounds like you've seen some irrational arguments, and the people who believe those arguments have been able to build increasingly powerful LLM systems despite predictions that they wouldn't be able to do that. At some point don't you have to consider that their expertise might let them see the truth in arguments that seem absurd to you?

Re: Anthropic researcher says more than 10% chance AI "could kill all humans"

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> AI "could kill all humans" After all the decades of work we've put into orchestrating our own demise through climate change, here comes AI to steal another human job.

climate change was never going to kill all humans.

Re: Anthropic researcher says more than 10% chance AI "could kill all humans"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What... I think you might be sharing more about your internal psyche here than providing some generalized commentary on this story. Why would you need to bomb a chip fab because you think AI might lead to people getting killed in the future? I'm convinced of many things killing humans, yet I don't have any desire to bomb or kill others, I think this is pretty common, but who knows....

You’re likely taking this too literally. OP is saying that beliefs inspire action, but as of now we haven’t seen action from these people that support such an extreme belief. What we have seen is incredible hype (justified or not), so it’s more likely just a continuation of that.

Precisely, all I hear is a bunch of cheap talk about something gravely serious, if true.

I think it's much more likely that the dread these Anthropic employees are experiencing is reckoning with the fact that they may actually lose the AI race. Maybe, if they scare the regulators enough, they could lock in some regulatory capture.

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If they actually believed this they'd be buying a truckload of fertilizer and diving it to the nearest chip fab. I don't buy it.

What... I think you might be sharing more about your internal psyche here than providing some generalized commentary on this story. Why would you need to bomb a chip fab because you think AI might lead to people getting killed in the future? I'm convinced of many things killing humans, yet I don't have any desire to bomb or kill others, I think this is pretty common, but who knows....

Not “people getting killed”, this is “all humans”. The only other ELE for humans that could possibly be caused by other humans that has been feasible is nuclear war. And lots of blood has been shed to prevent new players from getting bombs.

Re: Anthropic researcher says more than 10% chance AI "could kill all humans"

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If they actually believed this they'd be buying a truckload of fertilizer and diving it to the nearest chip fab. I don't buy it.

There's a lot more than one chip fab.

A while back Yudkowsky wrote that a ban would only work if was enforced by airstrikes. By a game of telephone, some people read "bomb", but there's a very big difference between "someone with a truckload of fertiliser" and "a B52":

  Shut down all the large GPU clusters (the large computer farms where the most powerful AIs are refined). Shut down all the large training runs. Put a ceiling on how much computing power anyone is allowed to use in training an AI system, and move it downward over the coming years to compensate for more efficient training algorithms. No exceptions for governments and militaries. Make immediate multinational agreements to prevent the prohibited activities from moving elsewhere. Track all GPUs sold. If intelligence says that a country outside the agreement is building a GPU cluster, be less scared of a shooting conflict between nations than of the moratorium being violated; be willing to destroy a rogue datacenter by airstrike.

  Frame nothing as a conflict between national interests, have it clear that anyone talking of arms races is a fool. That we all live or die as one, in this, is not a policy but a fact of nature. Make it explicit in international diplomacy that preventing AI extinction scenarios is considered a priority above preventing a full nuclear exchange, and that allied nuclear countries are willing to run some risk of nuclear exchange if that’s what it takes to reduce the risk of large AI training runs.
- https://time.com/6266923/ai-eliezer-yudkowsky-open-letter-no...

Re: Anthropic researcher says more than 10% chance AI "could kill all humans"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What... I think you might be sharing more about your internal psyche here than providing some generalized commentary on this story. Why would you need to bomb a chip fab because you think AI might lead to people getting killed in the future? I'm convinced of many things killing humans, yet I don't have any desire to bomb or kill others, I think this is pretty common, but who knows....

You’re likely taking this too literally. OP is saying that beliefs inspire action, but as of now we haven’t seen action from these people that support such an extreme belief. What we have seen is incredible hype (justified or not), so it’s more likely just a continuation of that.

I just think OP is completely wrong about what beliefs inspire what action. Anti-nuclear activists in the proliferation era would surely have put their chance of doom above 10%, and yet it was AFAIK unheard of for them to bomb nuclear supply chains.

Re: Anthropic researcher says more than 10% chance AI "could kill all humans"

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Next week's ad: "With OpenAI[tm] Astra[tm], there is a 20% change that it could kill all humans!"

Next week's Senate: "We cannot afford to lose the 'kill all humans' race to Russia and China!"

Next't weeks AISI: "We continue to plan the monitoring of emergent issues that could lead to less than optimal conditions for humanity and will form a committee to evaluate all ramifications."

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