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Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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This is actually what keeps people using AI: variable reward schedule. It's basically gambling.

I see this sentiment pretty regularly, and I don’t get it. Variable rewards is not sufficient to establish that it is “ basically gambling”. Everything in life is variable reward. You invite a friend over, they might accept or they might not. Drive to work, traffic might be good or might be bad. You ask a colleague to finish a task, they might do it or might not or might do a good job or might not. Everything is vari…

No, if I use a ruler or a pocket calculator they will reliabley give me the correct result. There is no gambling.

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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> Why is half the site blue now? I asked you to change one button. > Half the site is blue. I asked for ONE button. Those are my only options when the site is clearly not blue, two buttons are. There is a reason for why I am much more specific than this.

The whole website is two buttons, so that's pretty much accurate.

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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post #160

This is actually what keeps people using AI: variable reward schedule. It's basically gambling.

I see this sentiment pretty regularly, and I don’t get it. Variable rewards is not sufficient to establish that it is “ basically gambling”. Everything in life is variable reward. You invite a friend over, they might accept or they might not. Drive to work, traffic might be good or might be bad. You ask a colleague to finish a task, they might do it or might not or might do a good job or might not. Everything is vari…

You invite a friend over, but raccoon appears. Then pigeon appears. Then friend appears but at the last second suddenly becomes a banana. You remember you are out of bananas so you order more and also some cola zero cans on your local grocery delivery app. You are back to the party, but now you have 5 friends in the room, and you run de-duplication query. Now half of your friend is sitting at the sofa, and another half becomes a quarter of banana. Suddenly bananas arrive so you need to open the door. Once you are back there are no friends, pigeons or raccoons but also no bananas and no cola - all the delivery results are gone. This seems to be urgent and important, gotta fix this first before going back to that friend invitation...

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm growing increasingly confident that this is how people often work, as well.

No. People have an inner monologue, partial results and ideas and they remember that. If they've worked some minutes/hours/weeks on something and you ask them why did they do that, they will either answer honestly and truthfully, lie, or say "I missed that/didn't seem important so I just chose something at random". None of these cases are similar to how AI works.

I think this is true with some people, but I don't think this holds true for some (or even most) people across the US (at least not all the folks I've worked with)

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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post #153
post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm growing increasingly confident that this is how people often work, as well.

No. People have an inner monologue, partial results and ideas and they remember that. If they've worked some minutes/hours/weeks on something and you ask them why did they do that, they will either answer honestly and truthfully, lie, or say "I missed that/didn't seem important so I just chose something at random". None of these cases are similar to how AI works.

Actually split brain experiments tells a different story. The left hemisphere actively confabulates, inventing plausible explanations for actions it didn’t initiate, suggesting that much of human self-narrative may be post-hoc storytelling.

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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post #160

This is actually what keeps people using AI: variable reward schedule. It's basically gambling.

I see this sentiment pretty regularly, and I don’t get it. Variable rewards is not sufficient to establish that it is “ basically gambling”. Everything in life is variable reward. You invite a friend over, they might accept or they might not. Drive to work, traffic might be good or might be bad. You ask a colleague to finish a task, they might do it or might not or might do a good job or might not. Everything is vari…

i’m not sure “variable rewards” is the right term, but i do agree with the op that it is very similar to gambling.

regarding your examples, i think the difference is that with ai, you’re literally sitting in front of a machine, pressing a button, and (almost instantly) getting a result that, if not desired, can immediately be tried for again. you even spend “tokens” to do this, and at least in my native language, “token” brings to mind the coins you’d stick in a slot machine

Re: Claude, change the “Add to Cart” button to blue

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That's so weird... This doesn't at all match my experience with Claude. I've never seen it behave this way.

This is EXACTLY my experience with it. Ask for it to change one line of code and see it invoke 20 tools and burn 300K tokens before updating the line and adding 50 extra lines of JavaDoc.

Only since 4.8 though.

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