Do people prefer stories written by AI?
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Re: Do people prefer stories written by AI?
#52Re: Do people prefer stories written by AI?
#53stories below. they were generated with chatgpt 4.0. pair 1: https://osf.io/d8f6m/files/yjahv pair 2: https://osf.io/d8f6m/files/sjph3 pair 3: https://osf.io/d8f6m/files/4pfw3
Re: Do people prefer stories written by AI?
#54Despite post facto conspiracy theories that it was a guerilla marketing campaign to promote "Old Coke", it was not. Coca-Cola tested a new formula in focus groups and people preferred it at the time because, basically, it was sweeter. But this didn't translate into longer term consumption. It's a cautionary tale in how data science can fail and how you shouldn't necessarily extrapolate to the long-term from the short-term.
So when people say they preferred AI written stories, what are they really reacting to? There's probably a lot of elements that are engaging but is it a lasting story? Most enduring stories become so because they speak to some truth of the current times or the human condition that can be hard to separate from the technical merits of the story.
Example #1: Fight Club both as a book and a movie was a bit of a sleeper hit. It was a box office failure. But it became a cult classic because it was one of the earlier works that spoke to the loss of a future for men in our society.
Example #2: The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Again, it was a sleeper hit but it built over time as a relatively early Western expression of queer culture, gender identity and cultural conformance.
Example #3: The Wire. While it had great writing it has endured as a testament to institutional failure at every level and that doesn't necessarily take a villain. Everybody can be acting in their own interests and you end up with inevitable failure anyway.
Example #4: The Great Gatsby. This was never a hit in F. Scott Fizgerald's lifetime. How it became one is an interesting story. Basically, during WW2 the Army created these small print books for deployed soldiers to easily carry and read. Then once the war ended and many of the veterans went to college, they wrote about the Great Gatasby. It's now viewed as an American masterpiece that captures the 1920s like few other works. It expresses class consciousness and some of the metaphors (like the green light on the dock) are debated to this day.
Now, could AI write things that coherently speak to the human condition this way? Not yet (IMHO). Far from it.
That being said, there are only so many base story structures. Take the romance category. You'll find repeated tropes. Could AI write what might best be called "pulp fiction" in that genre? Probably sooner rather than later.
Re: Do people prefer stories written by AI?
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does that have to do with the results I'd the study? Do you think there will be a different result if it was done by anyone else, anywhere else?
Yes, with a proper story selection you can get any desired result if you repeat the study.
Re: Do people prefer stories written by AI?
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That's why those "we prefer human writing" polls (such as the one cited in [0]: whooping 98% readers say they prefer human writing to AI!) are just noise. Why would they not? > They'll tell you that they prefer imperfect or even bad writing as long as it's not AI slop, But I do, and it's very clear that the online communities I frequent prefer people write in their own voice, even with very bad grammar and spelling…
Of course more than zero people actually use tiktok for educational purposes and like healthy foods. I'm talking about how questions like that ("do you prefer imperfect human writing or AI writing?", "what do you use tiktok for?", "do you stop reading if you know something is written by LLM?") are ill-designed for questionnaires. Tests like the OP's link are slightly more meaningful to find out people's true preferen…
It's absolute horseshit (and I would say somewhat sociopathic) to try to A/B test that to catch people out as if to say "aha you are lying to yourself because you can't tell".
People's preferences are representative of their desires and aspirations, their future self-perception, their better self, etc. I'm sad that you seem to think that is something they should be disabused of by statistical means.
It would be misanthropic to assume that because people say they want healthier food but then don't buy it, that they don't really want it. The proper response to that is not to give people what their behaviour says they will actually buy; it is to broadly compel food producers to make healthier food that matches what they wish they would more often choose.
ETA: above all what I want to impress upon you is that "people are really good at lying to themselves" is not actually a statement of fact; it is your opinion and interpretation projected onto the data you choose. There are other ways to explain this gap that do not involve fundamental attribution error.
Re: Do people prefer stories written by AI?
#57I’m in both a lot of art based communities and programming based communities (like HN). The one blind spot many HN readers have is that the quality of something is one facet of an artwork. Humans make minute decisions in their art whether to tell a story or represent something. When someone generates something, at some point you as the viewer/reader could assume that arbitrary choices were made in places. Those arbit…
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#58"We assume creative writing requires uniquely human qualities, such as emotional understanding and lived experience, which leads people to underestimate AI's capabilities." It's not about the relative "creativity" of it. Art is fundamentally about communication. It's a social activity, whether you're reading a book or listening to music or looking at a painting. Even a mid-average author is going to make something mo…
What does it say about us that the sum average of us disgusts us on a visceral artistic level, is that the machine's fault for reflecting us accurately?
Re: Do people prefer stories written by AI?
#59Anyway, the good thing with human mind is it can explore, where a LLM is statistically producing words. It will certainly produce average stories, which if they are short will be better than most human writing. But it won't explore new ways of writing, which are the ones which can become a masterpiece IMHO
I would be interested in long stories experiments though, is the context wide enough to keep consistency and mid quality or are they becoming boring and un-readable like claude can be when trying to explain a concept ?
Then starts the philosophical questions : If a human need to write world rules, names, locations, characters, psychology, how each character perceive the world despite its rules, define relationship between characters and then delegate the story writing to a LLM, how much of the story belong to the human and what's the difference between doing this and hiring a ghostwriter
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#60I don't think reading isolated stories holds much value. The value of the emotion it elicits is much lower than knowing the person who wrote it or in what historical or social background they did so. Reading stories written by humans is one of the ways we can keep ourselves grounded to other humans: be it through fantasy, lyrics, or autobiographies. I can only describe reading AI stories as emotional indulgence.
> The value of the emotion it elicits is much lower than knowing the person who wrote it or in what historical or social background they did so. Then the value of many ancient texts must be close to zero, because we often know nothing about the people who wrote them. In many cases even our guesses for where and when they were written differ by multiple centuries or thousands of kilometers.
With AI writing the answer is that everything is randomly averaged and thus trivial.