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Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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Post by s_dev »

naz wrote: post #139

Tangential but why do articles about Flock never have (YC S17) in the title like articles about other YC companies?

They are a YCombinator company! TIL.

I'm genuinely taken aback by that.

I can clearly see a bunch of brand new accounts brigading the thread, YCisComplict, YCisBad etc. Presumably bots or something but this is still bad even discounting those accounts.

We need more Aaron Schwartz’s in the world. Shame he's gone. Lads like that seemed kind of dorky and a bit pretentious in their pursuit of righteousness back in the day but my god their absence is noted in this day and age.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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Post by sophacles »

bko wrote: post #52
sophacles wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We care about the immigrants becaus we know the rest of the fucking poem.

I too base my political beliefs on poetry

I'm sure you do. The poem can be taken both as a lesson in why one should defend all humans, as well as a lesson in exclusion from the bottom up.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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Post by YCisVeryBad »

furyg3 wrote: post #46

It's pretty clear to be that governments shouldn't be able to 'subcontract' their way out of the limits placed on them via the constitution. Thankfully the supreme court seems to agree here in two ways: 1) Just because a third party (Google in Chatrie case but Flock here) collects the data and the government requests it from them, doesn't mean that that isn't a 'search' which requires a warrant ("obtaining someone's…

Flock is YC.

This is being done by investors for ads.

Somr govts are cutting deals, those that aren’t are banning them.

Never trust HN articles or high karma accts

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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Post by tom_ »

ubermonkey wrote: post #202
naz wrote: post #139

Tangential but why do articles about Flock never have (YC S17) in the title like articles about other YC companies?

You know why.

I assume it's because Flock is a YC company, and HN is the YC board, and somebody has instituted a policy of not making the link clear (and it worked on me! I had no idea) due to the negative publicity - but that's so obvious, that you must be thinking of something else.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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Post by 15feetOfclay »

jgerrish wrote: post #192
quacked wrote: post #30

I've been very pleased to see the reaction to Flock in the US. I was talking to a younger guy, very normal kid who keeps his nose clean, studying criminal justice in his junior year at college. I jokingly mentioned to him that maybe he could bring some anti-surveillance awareness to whatever law enforcement agency he goes to work for and he said, very seriously, "oh yeah, definitely. I've only gotten two cameras so f…

> I've been very pleased to see the reaction to Flock in the US. I've been involved in civil liberties for over three decades. I was a member of the EFF and ACLU when I could afford it, and follower of the early cypherpunks. Like a lot of EFF members, I was advocating against the Patriot Act a d the methods used to pass it after 9/11. But this feels different. The fact that there is large support feom the left behind…

"But this feels different. The fact that there is large support feom the left behind this makes me very cautious."

Why does that make you cautious?

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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Post by [deleted] »

gustavus wrote: post #54
vaylian wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which is a country with very little street crime, grafitti, vandalism etc. and a lot of human rights violations

That's only for bad people who don't agree with the right thoughts and the right thinking. Don't worry as long as you don't disagree with the government you'll be fine citizen, after all you wouldn't want to disagree with the government would you?

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Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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Post by YCisVeryBad »

tom_ wrote: post #224
ubermonkey wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know why.

I assume it's because Flock is a YC company, and HN is the YC board, and somebody has instituted a policy of not making the link clear (and it worked on me! I had no idea) due to the negative publicity - but that's so obvious, that you must be thinking of something else.

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Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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Post by YCisVeryBad »

gblargg wrote: post #57

At the very least they need to make public accessible all data collected about all employees and owners of Flock, and everyone in government agencies that contract with Flock. This means we can see all photos and videos of these people, every trip they make, etc. All searchable with AI, with no audit trail (just like it is for government agencies).

Including investor data since they are a YC company?

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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Post by vrganj »

throwaway235125 wrote: post #213
vrganj wrote: post #91

> Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on - Larry Ellison https://www.businessinsider.com/larry-ellison-ai-surveillanc... Now, let's hope you agree with Larry Ellison's definition of what constitutes best behavior or they will soon be sending drones after you. > "You just have a drone follow the car," Ellison said. "It's very simple in the a…

> "You're thinking Chinese surveillance. US-based surveillance helps victims and prevents more victims" [1] - Garry Tan [1] https://xcancel.com/garrytan/status/1963310592615485955

My read is that they're all trying to build a surveillance state for when AI completely upends the fabric of our socioeconomic system.

They need to be able to track and depose of the rioting hordes without getting their hands dirty.

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