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Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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What makes you think flock would prevent those crimes?

Just a few examples: https://www.wbrc.com/2026/09/04/moody-bessemer-police-credit... https://www.fox13news.com/news/flock-cameras-help-find-kidna...

Seems to me flock didn't prevent either kidnapping.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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>China, which is a country with very little street crime, grafitti, vandalism etc And very little ability for anyone or any group of people from any walk of life to resist getting screwed by the government if the government chooses to screw them. The long term cost of putting locks on doors and bars on windows and all the other things that need to be done to deter small scale crime is peanuts compared to the cost of…

> And very little ability for anyone or any group of people from any walk of life to resist getting screwed by the government if the government chooses to screw them. Sorry to break it to you but if the Feds in the US have it out for you, it won't matter how squeaky clean your record is. They'll fuck you up and ruin your life without batting an eye.

Which is a great argument for Less Surveilance and Overreach.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

#83
post #46

It's pretty clear to be that governments shouldn't be able to 'subcontract' their way out of the limits placed on them via the constitution. Thankfully the supreme court seems to agree here in two ways: 1) Just because a third party (Google in Chatrie case but Flock here) collects the data and the government requests it from them, doesn't mean that that isn't a 'search' which requires a warrant ("obtaining someone's…

There is not generally an expectation of privacy in public. Things in public can be recorded without consent. Filming a car on a street and giving that video to the government is not the same as me giving private information to a third party, and then them giving it to the government such as Carpenter v United states covers.

Edit: Note that this is not an endorsement, rather stating that recent supreme court cases may not be applicable.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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Linked cameras everywhere all the time has been coming for a while. Cheap hardware, connectivity, and analysis means who pays is not only not limited to governments and big companies but is barely even relevant. The remaining question is what if any rules there will be.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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post #41

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Graffiti is amazing. It is protest.

Could I come and spray paint the front of your house? In protest of course.

If your name is banksy, because a new banksy appearing in front of my house would increase the value of the entire block.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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I've been to many places in Italy that have scary much CCTV.

A bunch of CCTV is one thing. If the police have to come and knock on each business owner's door to ask "hey, you got some footage from 2 days ago, someone was shot in the area", that's fine with me. But what's not fine is that capability in a fully automated, fully remotely accessible way, because that openly invites abuse of all kinds.

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Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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post #3

Already a reality in mainland China, which is a country with very little street crime, grafitti, vandalism etc.

There probably was very little street crime, graffiti, and vandalism in the German Democratic Republic and in the USSR. And there very likely is little street crime in North Korea.

If the benefits can be had at too high a price, that doesn't make the price worth paying.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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post #60
post #46

It's pretty clear to be that governments shouldn't be able to 'subcontract' their way out of the limits placed on them via the constitution. Thankfully the supreme court seems to agree here in two ways: 1) Just because a third party (Google in Chatrie case but Flock here) collects the data and the government requests it from them, doesn't mean that that isn't a 'search' which requires a warrant ("obtaining someone's…

A reasonable regulation, focusing on personal freedom, would just forbid building such a network in the first place.

You just need to reasonably predict the future 20 years ago.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

#90

Hey HN ... use your mega brains to make the following kind of thing realistic, effective, and widespread for all: https://urban-privacy.com/pages/anti-surveillance-clothing fock flock

I love this but "Follow us on Instagram!" is maybe a little counterproductive.
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