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Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

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Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

#62
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That fact that in the UK or China you are surveiled non-stop it does not mean Americans want the same to happen to them.

Don't forget Belgium, Netherlands, sweden, Germany, France and many others! Google national ANPR [country]

There is a difference between ANPR and what Flock does.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

#63

Good. It helps solve crimes, and can even resolve general anti-social behaviour. I'd rather have the cameras than have family members die to drugged up drivers, or robbers get away with their crimes.

> and can even resolve general anti-social behaviour

And who desides what that is? Because right now, in the US, Trump and ICE appear to have strong opinions on that.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

#64

Some ways to help think about this: 1. Privacy is not secrecy. Your neighbours know what you are doing, they just politely don’t mention it, or try to sell you something on the back of it. 2. Almost everything we do we do in public, with our face uncovered for the world to see. 3. The benefits of a mass surveilled world are enormous - epidemiology is gonna rock in 20 years. New medical insights as well as simple stuf…

Profoundly patronizing tone here, telling folks that they need help thinking about why something as personal as the human right to privacy ought to be written off.

No, my neighbors do not know everything I’m doing. We have doors and windows and we quite like it that way. We choose what to share. Same in public, same in any reasonable situation.

Losing the ability to choose what we share with the world is a deeply frightening development and makes for a world that many of us, justifiably, do not want to live in.

You can choose to expose your private life if you want, but don’t pat my head and tell me it’s good for me.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

#66
post #7

They want to make money. Their buyers want a closely surveilled world with no exits.

Multiple things can be true at the same time... do you think the seller doesn't want a closely surveilled world with no exits?

Besides, money keeps businesses in the economy afloat, it's an artificial good with (more or less) constant value. Money's a systematic means to an end and rarely an end goal, its purpose is the transportation of value, and not the communication of value.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

#67
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Graffiti is amazing. It is protest.

Could I come and spray paint the front of your house? In protest of course.

As long as it's a mostly peaceful prostest, you're also allowed to set a few cars on fire and loot local businesses.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

#68

Some ways to help think about this: 1. Privacy is not secrecy. Your neighbours know what you are doing, they just politely don’t mention it, or try to sell you something on the back of it. 2. Almost everything we do we do in public, with our face uncovered for the world to see. 3. The benefits of a mass surveilled world are enormous - epidemiology is gonna rock in 20 years. New medical insights as well as simple stuf…

1. Ok, so why not keep it that way?

2. But not permanently recorded and stored, searchable and logged for anyone to go back in time. Also, not potentially incorrectly stored and mislabeled as you instead of someone else doing something bad. This is happening.

3. I like the benefits of our current world. I guess those aren't real or considered?

4. I never thought "my life was secret". Cops are using this to stalk ex-partners, harass citizens that raise complaints, and arrest people on false information. No one has shown these cameras directly cause a decrease in crime, and the scant few anecdotal pieces of evidence where they do individual good versus "social good" (wild way to spin this given Flock wants this for the good of all society), do not outweigh the harms, costs, abuses, and loss of privacy.

I have no idea how imposing a permanent surveillance society on everyone-everywhere-all the time at all relates to the proverb raised.

The only way I could come up with a connection is what you wanted to say, but politely, is "shut up, worry about your own damn small little problems in life. The bigger problems? Us VCs have billions to make on".

Which, yea. That makes sense. It is why VCs don't want us talking about it. They stand to make billions, while the rest of us need to count our pennies, because they aren't giving us anything else.

Did I misread that?

(Flock isn't the only one doing this. So is Axon, of Taser fame. They are arguably worse. They come into towns where Flock was removed and just install Axon cameras. Their history is nasty).

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

#69

Good. It helps solve crimes, and can even resolve general anti-social behaviour. I'd rather have the cameras than have family members die to drugged up drivers, or robbers get away with their crimes.

It's not clear that it actually does help solve crimes. It might even exacerbate them.

There's been a lot of stalking enabled by Flock cameras.

Re: Flock Wants a Closely Surveilled World with No Exit

#70
post #3

Already a reality in mainland China, which is a country with very little street crime, grafitti, vandalism etc.

I've been to many places in Italy that have scary much CCTV.

Let's think about the first two letters of CCTV and what that entails.
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