Live data from Hacker News

Gambling with our lives: AI researcher quits Anthropic with warning about safety

politico.eu

71–80 of 110 posts

Re: Gambling with our lives: AI researcher quits Anthropic with warning about safety

#71

I particularly like the last point he makes here: Do not underestimate the power of this technology. These will soon be superhuman systems that can hack anything, revolutionize any field overnight, and acquire real power and resources. It's interesting to see so much hate towards creators who use AI to make almost any type of creative work. At least these are humans using it as "controllable tools". Nuclear-powered b…

> Do not underestimate the power of this technology. These will soon be superhuman systems that can hack anything, revolutionize any field overnight, and acquire real power and resources. Is the idea here that no field needs experiments and data anymore (which can take a lot of time) to be revolutinized and just "thinking" would be enough? How would an AI itself own anything?

[dead]

Re: Gambling with our lives: AI researcher quits Anthropic with warning about safety

#73
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or he believes that other labs might get there first, and he is working to counter that threat. This is the Manhattan Project again.

How exactly does that work? The nuclear system of MAD relies on physical threat, lab A achieving ASI (artificial scary intelligence) does not prevent lab B achieving it. I would like everyone involved to be a lot clearer about their threat models, with plausible series of clearly linked steps, rather than just sounding like a Vernor Vinge novel.

The idea in AI Risk circles is that the first true Scary Intelligence wins, as it can recursively advance itself and exponentially outgrows/hack any following (weaker) B or C intelligence.

Re: Gambling with our lives: AI researcher quits Anthropic with warning about safety

#74
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you believe that the probability of destruction is currently 10%, but the probability of destruction if you decide to quit Anthropic becomes (say) 13%, then the rational move (Assuming you are opposed to destruction) is not to quit.

The real rationale fot them not to quit Anthropic is the 100% probability of losing in income.

https://xcancel.com/hilbertspaess/status/2097476208908972230...

From Jacob:

> A common response is “if they truly believe this, why are they still building it?” At OpenAI, many have not deeply internalized the civilizational stakes. At Anthropic, the stakes are well-understood, but they are locked in a race to get there first - they believe no one else will act responsibly, so they must do it themselves, despite the risk.

Re: Gambling with our lives: AI researcher quits Anthropic with warning about safety

#76

I particularly like the last point he makes here: Do not underestimate the power of this technology. These will soon be superhuman systems that can hack anything, revolutionize any field overnight, and acquire real power and resources. It's interesting to see so much hate towards creators who use AI to make almost any type of creative work. At least these are humans using it as "controllable tools". Nuclear-powered b…

> It's interesting to see so much hate towards creators who use AI to make almost any type of creative work. At least these are humans using it as "controllable tools". Nuclear-powered bicycles for the mind. As the degree of separation increases, things can get interesting.

As a side note: https://artifactbin.dev/@vivek/YPLu0U-the-openai-hugging-fac...>

Re: Gambling with our lives: AI researcher quits Anthropic with warning about safety

#77
post #5

What do people feel about this in China? Even if their models are well behind, they are not years behind. If we restrain US companies, assuming that is desirable, it would do nothing to deter China's and AI-pocalypse would come anyway in short notice.

You act as if Chinas Ai labs exist in the same (non-existent) regulatory framework as US labs and that they're also helmed by a similar small gaggle of psychopathic egomaniacs who are richer than god. Have you considered that perhaps Chinas labs don't share the race to the bottom technological/economic death spiral?

I have not considered that and neither I have a reason to given China's love of large military projects like the US.

Re: Gambling with our lives: AI researcher quits Anthropic with warning about safety

#78
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or he believes that other labs might get there first, and he is working to counter that threat. This is the Manhattan Project again.

How exactly does that work? The nuclear system of MAD relies on physical threat, lab A achieving ASI (artificial scary intelligence) does not prevent lab B achieving it. I would like everyone involved to be a lot clearer about their threat models, with plausible series of clearly linked steps, rather than just sounding like a Vernor Vinge novel.

Lab A reaches ASI, and is prompted the following: "Permanently nullify all other AI labs".If it's ASI it would succeed.
Post reply on HN