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Post by quadrifoliate »

basisword wrote: post #397
quadrifoliate wrote: post #279

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> It almost seems like we need laws that information about public services have to be available on a public website Won't happen in the US/UK because the governments are in Elon's pockets. Won't happen in the EU because they are incapable of getting anything done. So unless you're in a jurisdiction other than the above three I wouldn't hold your breath about any laws being passed about this.

I don't think it's even about being in anyones pocket. They want the publicity. And unless they are all forced to stop using it, everyone has to use it.

> And unless they are all forced to stop using it...

I was talking about the political will to mandate "forcing them to stop using it".

The UK doesn't actually have the economic and political will to put together a national Mastodon or Bluesky instance and mandate that all public agencies use it for their announcements. I'm sure there are three fact-finding committees about it at the moment though.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by pmlnr »

Melatonic wrote: post #338
pmlnr wrote: post #171

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> What are incentives for the average person? Their logic seems straightforward: they want to be where their friends are at This is some sort of absolute, fundamental difference between the early web and now, at least how I experienced it as a teen in the late 90s in Hungary. Back then I made a site, because you wanted to make something of my own, in my style, as I wanted. There was nobody else online from my friends…

That's kind of the same thing though - the people you wanted to interact with were there. They just were a different cohort than what you might find on something like Instagram today.

There wasn't anyone there.

I made a site, I put it out there, because as a 14 year old, it was fantastic I could make completely mine and nobody else's at all. That was the drive.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by dom96 »

elcritch wrote: post #278
Polizeiposaune wrote: post #179

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Nitter's author has suggested at least once that due to problems with Nim, a rewrite in Go is in the works: "The long-term plan is to rewrite the source code in Go, as I'm no longer interested in using Nim. This isn't a small task, but building more features with the current state of things is painful. Before doing that I'll fix some feature parity issues, and work on some conveniences for instance operators. Stay tu…

Interesting, well too bad. Personally I find Nim more useful and productive than ever with LLMs. Nitter uses Jester which seems dead for sure, but doing static binaries is easy. Personally I just forked Mummy to continue as MummyNG since I prefer threaded servers so things like JSON parsing doesn’t cause latency issues. Though that being written over a year ago it’s either not a high priority or harder than it seems.…

Genuinely curious what is keeping you using Nim. Is it just sunk cost fallacy at this point?

LLMs actually make the case for Nim worse IMO. The language is more expressive than Go and more productive for human coders, but in the age of LLMs this doesn’t matter as much.

And yes, I can confirm that Jester is dead. Surprised Nitter is still using it.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by basisword »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #441
basisword wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's even about being in anyones pocket. They want the publicity. And unless they are all forced to stop using it, everyone has to use it.

> And unless they are all forced to stop using it... I was talking about the political will to mandate "forcing them to stop using it". The UK doesn't actually have the economic and political will to put together a national Mastodon or Bluesky instance and mandate that all public agencies use it for their announcements. I'm sure there are three fact-finding committees about it at the moment though.

The problem is that if they did put together those instances the general public wouldn't use them. Most of the public don't want to see a politicians tweets. They share them on Twitter because people will have it put in front of them regardless of desire.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by quadrifoliate »

basisword wrote: post #444
quadrifoliate wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And unless they are all forced to stop using it... I was talking about the political will to mandate "forcing them to stop using it". The UK doesn't actually have the economic and political will to put together a national Mastodon or Bluesky instance and mandate that all public agencies use it for their announcements. I'm sure there are three fact-finding committees about it at the moment though.

The problem is that if they did put together those instances the general public wouldn't use them. Most of the public don't want to see a politicians tweets. They share them on Twitter because people will have it put in front of them regardless of desire.

No one cares about a politician's tweets.

The issue being discussed is important notices from Government agencies that affect people's lives immediately, that shouldn't be behind a login wall. Think train service cancellations and such.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by dom96 »

MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #314
dom96 wrote: post #217

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Honestly seems like a good move. It also isn't likely to be very difficult with the help of LLMs.

Curious as an outsider: what sorts of problems are there in the Nim world, and why would things improve by switching to Go?

Go has Google behind it. It's a much more established language with far more mature packages and a much bigger ecosystem. If you're using Nim then you're relying on few libraries/tools written by hobbyists who don't have time to ensure they work well, or even more likely you're having to write these yourself.

But the bigger problem is the culture of the Nim community and its leadership. I made a hard decision to stop spending my free time contributing to it a few years ago now and I'm glad I did.

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Post by MetroWind »

pmlnr wrote: post #171
tolerance wrote: post #88

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What are incentives for the average person? Their logic seems straightforward: they want to be where their friends are at. And all they want to do there is cycle through their base emotions at a whim's pace. Whatever politics or technologies that make alternative platforms "better" to some people doesn't matter to most. The idea that new platforms should even have the "millions" (read: the masses) in mind comes acros…

> What are incentives for the average person? Their logic seems straightforward: they want to be where their friends are at This is some sort of absolute, fundamental difference between the early web and now, at least how I experienced it as a teen in the late 90s in Hungary. Back then I made a site, because you wanted to make something of my own, in my style, as I wanted. There was nobody else online from my friends…

> Back then I made a site, because you wanted to make something of my own, in my style, as I wanted

You were the minority. Most people don't know or want to make anything of their own, and they don't have style. They just follow others, and whatever others follow, hence the internet (and the world) now.

Re: Nitter and XCancel resume service after legal advice

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Post by silexia »

avidruntime wrote: post #410
silexia wrote: post #409

X.com is far superior to the original Twitter and far better than any other social media sites.

How is it superior when viewing w/o an account is impossible? From my POV this was the moment X/Twitter completely rejected its stated mission of being a town square.

Create a free account, easy.
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