The only proper response is a “LGTM” and merge it into main.
problem is I can't, because the BE is not doing what the FE team needs it to do.
The FE team consists of me btw.
My business partner sent a 5K vibe-coded PR that he didn't even test
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Re: My business partner sent a 5K vibe-coded PR that he didn't even test
#92I am genuinely worried about skill-rot. My peers code and design skills are degrading so quickly. AI is making each feature harder to debug than the last. That's a skill problem, and if our skills weren't rotting we'd be able to fix it adeptly. But the process seems to ruin our cognitive tools.
This is the thing that people just simply don't see.
And for those who say "well why code and use your brain?", may I remind them that cities where people do a lot of walking are so much enjoyable, better for people mentally and physically than places where people use the "efficient and smart way" of transportation, that being a car.
I remember my cousins in the States picking me up by car and walking their dog by car, inside a gated community that was very enjoyable to walk. Pathetic to see.
(BTW both my cousins are severly overweight, 200+ pounds)
Re: My business partner sent a 5K vibe-coded PR that he didn't even test
#93> Well, as much as people lose all their muscle by been bed-ridden, he's lost all his brain by being AI Assisted™. Wanna know the answer of those who lost all their brain cells to that? "If there are bugs, it's only because the prompt was off. I'm a better prompt-engineer than your business partner, so this could never ever happen to me." And off to the couch they go sit and shut their brains off.
Haha this is such a funny argument really.
My guy in fact started by blaming himself for prompting wrong, and yesterday he was "upset" that his friend Claudio missed some important documentation details (three API keys were needed and one I had no idea where to get, not mentioned once at all)
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#94This is enforced in my company so buckle up
I literally was earning 5x times more working for contracts and companies but got super sick of it, I was happy to work with one single guy (who PROMISED to keep AI at bay, it was our original part of the deal) for a huge paycut
Well that didn't last long. The temptation was too big for him too
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#95"no worries man I know what I'm doing" it’s first sentence in AI-using human mouth that tells me to turn around and run. I’m using models, I’ve built two whole projects without looking at more than 1% of code, but I’ve tested the interface and went through data on disk to verify the assumptions. Sad to see you have a FRIEND who behaved this way.
what does "verify the data on disk" even mean? I guess without knowing what the project is it's weird to think testing it + checking some files is enough, at least for me
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#96The problem is not vibe coding. The problem is the people doing this were never good software engineers before vibe coding. Simply put you still need good practices to produce working good code with AI. Oddly what I have found best is patterns that many would cringe and demeans unit test and integration test. Yes I still vibe unit test and integration test, but more than ever I have to put on my PM and QA hat, even m…
Couldn't have said it better myself. Issue at hand is if you're working in an environment that enables such people and even encourages that behaviour. Suddenly, their voice is the same where it was never even a whisper before, and you can't do anything about it. It is extremely demotivating and I would actually propose a more radical approach to it - either embrace the shit in full and commit to it as well or really…
I actually quit bigger companies and SV contracts because the amount of hype was way overblown. Nothing could not be AI, really. Think about how crazy it is that Jensen Huang is saying "AGI is here", seriously. I first thought malice, now I think it's just plain religious Zeal.
We're not a company, it's just me and my pal. I keep 50% of the product and profits and he pays me to do that (because I have way more expertise than him)
curious question where you work, the AI craze is not happening?
Re: My business partner sent a 5K vibe-coded PR that he didn't even test
#97The problem is not vibe coding. The problem is the people doing this were never good software engineers before vibe coding. Simply put you still need good practices to produce working good code with AI. Oddly what I have found best is patterns that many would cringe and demeans unit test and integration test. Yes I still vibe unit test and integration test, but more than ever I have to put on my PM and QA hat, even m…
> The problem is not vibe coding. Except that it is the enabler. Without AI there are no 5K lines of code that no human has ever seen. AI introduces a new category of problem that did not exist before.
Yep agree.
As much as I like to put power in the individual, this has become a huge nightmare for those of us who were kind of decent programming.
This was NOT the case 5 years ago. At all.
Re: My business partner sent a 5K vibe-coded PR that he didn't even test
#98The problem is not vibe coding. The problem is the people doing this were never good software engineers before vibe coding. Simply put you still need good practices to produce working good code with AI. Oddly what I have found best is patterns that many would cringe and demeans unit test and integration test. Yes I still vibe unit test and integration test, but more than ever I have to put on my PM and QA hat, even m…
Well said. The problem is that vibe coding can paper over bad engineering practices for awhile. And results look good, and when you raise concerns people look at you like you're dumb and trying to slow things down. But the underlying bad practices _will_ bite the same they would have before AI, you just don't know when. It's a really frustrating state of the industry to be in.
It's like the casino, crypto gambling, or eating junk food. We're wired for that short-term gains and few of us can escape it. I understand that, just sad that the casino slot machine had to hit our craft.
Re: My business partner sent a 5K vibe-coded PR that he didn't even test
#99The problem is not vibe coding. The problem is the people doing this were never good software engineers before vibe coding. Simply put you still need good practices to produce working good code with AI. Oddly what I have found best is patterns that many would cringe and demeans unit test and integration test. Yes I still vibe unit test and integration test, but more than ever I have to put on my PM and QA hat, even m…
if I got $1 for every time me or anyone I know prompted AI, got the wrong answer, and people claimed "you need good practices / get better at prompting" I'd be a millionaire
The problem is these companies literally say "NO NEED TO LEARN ANYTHING JUST VIBE". Ton of ads on social media and YT claiming that.
Like my mom doesn't even know what a PC, a Macbook or a Linux computer is and we're telling her she can make apps?
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I often read here comments along the lines of "there will be plenty of jobs for AI-unfuckers" [1], but I fear the truth may be closer to "sometimes things are broken, are then fixed with a broken solution, and will remain broken till the end of time". In my last round of job search this year no one asked me questions about good software practices but they did ask me how proficient I was with AI agents. And let's not…
I'm am certainly an "ai believer" and have been since I saw the tragectory we were on. It was pretty simple to project the compounding effects and headroom that we had. I go back and forth on this all the time. There probably won't be much demand for "un-fuckers". Up until recently I thought knowing what to build for a given context would give you quite a bit of runway. I still think knowing what you should build wil…
I used to think there'd be space for unfuckers. Now I'm doubftul.
Yeah I could do management and all that crap but I was Eng Manager for 5 months and hated it.
Some of us are like huskies, we need to run on the Siberian Permafrost in order to thrive, else we get depressed.
That's me.