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Re: Tao: Open math problems being non-renewably mined by AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a real argument to make rather than just appealing to authority?

So let me get this straight: you're saying that Terrence Tao, one of the most prominent mathematicians alive today, doesn't know math history? And me pointing this out is merely an appeal to authority? Get outta here.

Soldiers rarely know the history of war, and war historians are rarely soldiers.

Re: Tao: Open math problems being non-renewably mined by AI

#43
We're having to rediscover in real time the extremely hard way, why enabling mass theft is so incredibly damaging to society. This is literally why we need a functional copyright system

If theft becomes more profitable than genuine creation, then nobody will create anything. Then there's nothing to steal, at which point all progress collapses

Re: Tao: Open math problems being non-renewably mined by AI

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This series of posts by Terry Tao is a direct response to the Navier-Stokes results (multiple results!) from the last 24 hours. The question is what is left after the levelling of mathematics, in all its senses, occurs? How can you protect a field that's under this much pressure in the next 6 months? > [I]t is now the identification of a promising problem which is the scarce and precious resource. We have now seen th…

If math is solved then move to an area that’s not. Why do fields need “protecting” from ai?

Have you read his tweets?

Re: Tao: Open math problems being non-renewably mined by AI

#45

This series of posts by Terry Tao is a direct response to the Navier-Stokes results (multiple results!) from the last 24 hours. The question is what is left after the levelling of mathematics, in all its senses, occurs? How can you protect a field that's under this much pressure in the next 6 months? > [I]t is now the identification of a promising problem which is the scarce and precious resource. We have now seen th…

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Re: Tao: Open math problems being non-renewably mined by AI

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This series of posts by Terry Tao is a direct response to the Navier-Stokes results (multiple results!) from the last 24 hours. The question is what is left after the levelling of mathematics, in all its senses, occurs? How can you protect a field that's under this much pressure in the next 6 months? > [I]t is now the identification of a promising problem which is the scarce and precious resource. We have now seen th…

If math is solved then move to an area that’s not. Why do fields need “protecting” from ai?

The reason is because the entirety of society, historically, has been based upon humans using their differential skills to further it, which in turn promotes societal cohesion. If most human endeavours are solved, then we will enter a period of abundance that paradoxically will erode the glue holding society together. In short, endless abundance of solutions and ideas cannot coexist with a healthy society. Only those who are priveleged and have a naive belief in a Star Trek utopia think otherwise.

Re: Tao: Open math problems being non-renewably mined by AI

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If math is solved then move to an area that’s not. Why do fields need “protecting” from ai?

Have you read his tweets?

yes but the tweets don't really address why the field needs to be protected instead of adapting and evolving.

And to reply to the sibling since I hit my comment limit and I'm going to probably forget about this conversation until tomorrow:

But our situation before 2023 was one in which we had an endless abundance of solutions and ideas. I understand that AI can generate bad ideas faster than we can discern them, but we already have tried and true mechanisms to filter good ideas from bad (e.g. the scientific process), why can't they be adapted?

Re: Tao: Open math problems being non-renewably mined by AI

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If proofs are tropes, explanations are stories. There won't be an end to stories.

Actually there will because if you've actually ever spent time doing math, you only really get to that level of truly understanding and appreciating the stories if you've actually done the hard work yourself, which in turn will be economically infeasible due to AI. The analogy is interesting but incomplete and misleading.

Re: Tao: Open math problems being non-renewably mined by AI

#50
Seems like in current cultural and economic context, short term extraction is what we’re going to do

> In short, the indiscriminate use of powerful solution-extraction tools can achieve the immediate short-term goal of solving problems at hand, but at the cost of sustaining the ecosystem for the next wave of progress, or in understanding the progress already obtained.

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