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Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by nostrademons »

kg wrote: post #16
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #9

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Well, I think both sides are the same to an uncomfortable degree. To quote Bill Maher: “Trump has renamed Lake Ontario to the Lake of America. Of course, the left knows you can’t just rename things for political gain, just ask any Latinx birthing person.”

His examples don't hold up. Latinx is attempting to provide an umbrella term for latino and latina, it's not renaming one of the two. "Birthing person" is attempting to provide an umbrella term for people who can give birth that may or may not necessarily be female. (You can express your own feelings about the reality that this exists, but it does exist regardless of how you feel about it). On the other hand Lake Ont…

Latinx is terrible, though, because it is something no native Spanish speaker would ever say. It's an example of the exact same sort of cultural imperialism that most of the people who like to say latinx rail against.

The term that Hispanic queer and non-binary communities use is latine, which is pronounceable, follows normal Spanish grammatical rules, actually arose from the communities being discussed, and pluralizes easily to "les latines".

Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by lobf »

liveoneggs wrote: post #14
lobf wrote: post #4

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This is why I stopped watching as well. They really set the table for conservative populists to feast. I resent them tremendously.

please expand

Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich, the epitome of "both sides are the same." John Kerry would not have invaded Iraq on false pretenses. He wouldn't have perma-fucked the budget with his massive tax cuts for the rich. The GWB administration was a disaster and these guys pretended they were equivalent.

ManBearPig lambasted the very idea of climate change as laughable, and anyone who cared about it was a pussy liberal loser. They have recently walked this back, but the damage is done.

Overall they contributed to the perception that sincerity and earnestness are lame and the only way to appear cool and enlightened is to be a cynic.

Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by kulahan »

martythemaniak wrote: post #3

I watched South Park for almost 20 years, but stopped about a decade ago. Have the creators ever reconned with their role in normalizing and popularizing.. the current situation? What I mean is, SP is one of most prominent cultural examples of " both sides are equally bad, everyone and everything sucks", they've had great success with this schtick, ManBearPig, Turd Sandwich, etc. They did a lot of prep work for the c…

I love the idea that one side has simply been historically evil in your mind, and that by not spending most of their time explaining carefully to everyone how that group IS in fact evil and despicable, they're somehow part of the extremist group having found a populist president amid a nation that generally has extremely low voter turnout.

Your style of thinking in and of itself could be a SP episode

Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by psadauskas »

skygazer wrote: post #63
martythemaniak wrote: post #3

I watched South Park for almost 20 years, but stopped about a decade ago. Have the creators ever reconned with their role in normalizing and popularizing.. the current situation? What I mean is, SP is one of most prominent cultural examples of " both sides are equally bad, everyone and everything sucks", they've had great success with this schtick, ManBearPig, Turd Sandwich, etc. They did a lot of prep work for the c…

Well, in fairness, both sides were bad, and still are -- although, now, one side is spectacularly worse. Dems can't ever agree on a candidate or position or message, and intentionally run candidates the otherside would abhore, and Republicans would happily vote in unison for an old shoe as long as it was sufficiently dog-whistley.

One "side" is actively and intentionally destroying the country, the other is letting them. It's not that both sides are bad, it's that both sides are the same side, working for the same people.

Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by irishcoffee »

UnitedStateser wrote: post #68

In order to rename the east coast to New America we first need to rename England to America - sorry Brits!

Are you trying to make a joke about New England/New York/New Jersey?

I’m trying to understand and I just don’t get it.

Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by kulahan »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #43
EA-3167 wrote: post #12

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/south-park-issues-rare-... How is that not changing?

See the word "rare" in the headline? They didn't go after Gore because he was wrong. They went after him because he committed the cardinal sin of really, earnestly taking a stand on a big issue. That is NEVER okay in South Park. There is never a correct side. Both sides must always be bad, on every issue. The "correct" view in South Park is always to not really take a stance on anything, and any character who is stro…

As an example, you do realize that in the South Park episode where Gerald starts farting into a wine glass after buying an electric car, they're not making fun of people who buy electric cars, but rather people who think they're special for having bought an electric car, right?

And with Gore, it's not that he took a huge stance, it's that his messaging was goofy and ineffective.

Satire is dead, I guess.

Re: Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South Park to South America

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Post by unrented7977 »

irishcoffee wrote: post #75
UnitedStateser wrote: post #68

In order to rename the east coast to New America we first need to rename England to America - sorry Brits!

Are you trying to make a joke about New England/New York/New Jersey? I’m trying to understand and I just don’t get it.

The joke is renaming/annexing England so that the name New England now properly becomes New America

It isn't funny, it's just dark

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Post by krapp »

justin66 wrote: post #69
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #39

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I have been informed that a common HN practice, is to have your sense of humor extracted, when getting your first colonoscopy.

They tell you it's a diagnostic procedure but if they see a sense of humor in there they just zap it.

Hacker News is serious business.

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Post by kg »

badc0ffee wrote: post #61
kg wrote: post #16

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His examples don't hold up. Latinx is attempting to provide an umbrella term for latino and latina, it's not renaming one of the two. "Birthing person" is attempting to provide an umbrella term for people who can give birth that may or may not necessarily be female. (You can express your own feelings about the reality that this exists, but it does exist regardless of how you feel about it). On the other hand Lake Ont…

You definitely need to be female to give birth, regardless of whatever gender identity label you give yourself (e.g. "man" or "non binary").

If you want to provide appropriate care to people with wombs you don't want to filter based on what their drivers' license or birth certificate say, because those can not only defy your expectations, but they can also be wrong due to clerical errors or other factors.

I can't even humor your assumption that there are only two sexes and one birthing sex, because intersexed people exist, as do people with unusual chromosomes. Some of them have wombs and can give birth. Language like "birthing persons", while awkward, admits the existence of those people into a larger group without requiring even more awkward phrasing akin to "women, and men with wombs, and intersexed people with wombs".

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Post by coloneltcb »

henryfjordan wrote: post #65
edoceo wrote: post #41

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The US-Left is pro-censorship? My recent memory of headlines was the US-Right attempting to ban books. What am I missing?

The perception is that the left is in favor of censoring slurs and hate symbols. As a reaction, Trump/MAGA has brought back the R-word for instance. Saying the Left are "pro-censorship" is not factually incorrect but definitely has a different connotation.

broadly speaking, it _is_ factually incorrect to say that. Censorship is the government controlling what information the public can access. No one on "the left" is trying to pass a law saying that people should get jail time for using the R-word.

Political correctness, woke/cancel culture, whatever you want to call it, is not censorship. And it's not splitting hairs to say this; words have meaning and though 'censorship' is particularly abused, it is still quite different from me looking down on someone who uses the R slur on X (as I do daily)

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