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'Lake America' makes one thing clear: We can't trust U.S. tech companies

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Re: 'Lake America' makes one thing clear: We can't trust U.S. tech companies

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Post by al_borland »

gonzalohm wrote: post #26
al_borland wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google and Apple don’t name things. If the official name inside the US is Lake America, they are only hurting their users by delaying the change, as the map will no longer be in line with the reality the users are living in and things they need to look up. When it’s only one thing, you might say everyone just knows, but that doesn’t scale. And like I mentioned, they need to pick their battles. I’d rather them save th…

What about all the privacy laws that Google is bypassing in Europe? They don't rush to apply those

I would need more information to comment on that. While I am pretty anti-Google and like to assume they are dragging their feet to collect more data, if we don’t assume the worst… I’m betting the changes to comply with new privacy laws requires far more effort and adding a label to a map.

Re: 'Lake America' makes one thing clear: We can't trust U.S. tech companies

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Post by ralfd »

gonzalohm wrote: post #27

It is funny that there are people defending Google because "it's the law and they have to follow it" when Google is completely ignoring privacy laws around the world. They could have done the same right? They probably even have a team specifically for evading the law

This is just intellectually lazy. Do you think Google has a team to maximize law breaking?

Re: 'Lake America' makes one thing clear: We can't trust U.S. tech companies

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Post by bdavisx »

iAMkenough wrote: post #25
sokoloff wrote: post #19

The executive orders are ridiculous/childish/whatever-you-call-this. That aside, if they have any legal effect, I’d expect a map company to call a feature by its legal name. Should a rendering of the land bordering the Southwest corner of the Black Sea show the city of Istanbul? Or must it remain depicted as Constantinople? Or perhaps even Byzantium?

Technically the border goes through the middle of the lake, and each side has their own legal name. Is it legally one lake with two names, or two lakes with one name? What should customers in neither country see displayed? What if the federal government renames New Mexico to New America, but the state government refuses?

>each side has their own legal name.

I think there's some question as to whether the President can just rename things with an EO - what's the legal name of that lake right now from a US standpoint - there isn't a 100% answer for that.

Re: 'Lake America' makes one thing clear: We can't trust U.S. tech companies

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Post by Krutonium »

capnjazz wrote: post #15

Hmmm, I feel like it would also be problematic if Google and Apple acted as unelected geographic authorities and deciding which names are politically legitimate

Honestly I'd be okay with it if Google and Apple decided that the current administrations actions are not legitimate, as long as they can properly justify it.

Which honestly wouldn't be that hard.

Re: 'Lake America' makes one thing clear: We can't trust U.S. tech companies

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Post by bathtub365 »

ralfd wrote: post #32
gonzalohm wrote: post #27

It is funny that there are people defending Google because "it's the law and they have to follow it" when Google is completely ignoring privacy laws around the world. They could have done the same right? They probably even have a team specifically for evading the law

This is just intellectually lazy. Do you think Google has a team to maximize law breaking?

Yes, their legal department.

Re: 'Lake America' makes one thing clear: We can't trust U.S. tech companies

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Post by ralfd »

ModernMech wrote: post #8

Amazing how eager they were to do this, and not a week later he's talking about renaming the Strait of Hormuz, New Mexico, and claimed to own the Moon. I wonder if he renames the Moon to Trump, will Google rename Google Moon to Google Trump? Will they rename New Mexico to New America? Will Google rename Tuesday to Trumpday if Trump demands it? Probably yes, the consensus seems to be it's their duty to do so.

No. Public Law 80-242 applies strictly to terrestrial geography. Outer space and celestial bodies fall outside the jurisdiction of the Department of the Interior.

Re: 'Lake America' makes one thing clear: We can't trust U.S. tech companies

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Post by gonzalohm »

ralfd wrote: post #32
gonzalohm wrote: post #27

It is funny that there are people defending Google because "it's the law and they have to follow it" when Google is completely ignoring privacy laws around the world. They could have done the same right? They probably even have a team specifically for evading the law

This is just intellectually lazy. Do you think Google has a team to maximize law breaking?

They are called lawyers

Re: 'Lake America' makes one thing clear: We can't trust U.S. tech companies

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Post by fuzzfactor »

ralfd wrote: post #32
gonzalohm wrote: post #27

It is funny that there are people defending Google because "it's the law and they have to follow it" when Google is completely ignoring privacy laws around the world. They could have done the same right? They probably even have a team specifically for evading the law

This is just intellectually lazy. Do you think Google has a team to maximize law breaking?

>Do you think Google has a team to maximize law breaking?

Just to get as close as money can buy.

Re: 'Lake America' makes one thing clear: We can't trust U.S. tech companies

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Post by ModernMech »

ralfd wrote: post #36
ModernMech wrote: post #8

Amazing how eager they were to do this, and not a week later he's talking about renaming the Strait of Hormuz, New Mexico, and claimed to own the Moon. I wonder if he renames the Moon to Trump, will Google rename Google Moon to Google Trump? Will they rename New Mexico to New America? Will Google rename Tuesday to Trumpday if Trump demands it? Probably yes, the consensus seems to be it's their duty to do so.

No. Public Law 80-242 applies strictly to terrestrial geography. Outer space and celestial bodies fall outside the jurisdiction of the Department of the Interior.

lol as if this administration is concerned about or following laws.

Re: 'Lake America' makes one thing clear: We can't trust U.S. tech companies

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

iAMkenough wrote: post #25
sokoloff wrote: post #19

The executive orders are ridiculous/childish/whatever-you-call-this. That aside, if they have any legal effect, I’d expect a map company to call a feature by its legal name. Should a rendering of the land bordering the Southwest corner of the Black Sea show the city of Istanbul? Or must it remain depicted as Constantinople? Or perhaps even Byzantium?

Technically the border goes through the middle of the lake, and each side has their own legal name. Is it legally one lake with two names, or two lakes with one name? What should customers in neither country see displayed? What if the federal government renames New Mexico to New America, but the state government refuses?

It's one lake.
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