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Flights cancelled at UK airports due to ATC issue

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Re: Flights cancelled at UK airports due to ATC issue

#71

Wonder if any of this code was outsourced to India 'cut costs'

Following neoliberal economic strategy has optimized for profit maxing over basic quality of life, let alone competency of building and operating complex systems. While the US is #1 in the trend, the UK is following pretty closely

Re: Flights cancelled at UK airports due to ATC issue

#72

Including mine. I'm not angry because my flight was cancelled. It's a pain in the arse but what really infuriates me is the "We are terribly sorry" these PR releases give. I've been on hold for three hours with British Airlines and it's "we are sorry", no you're not. "We are truly sorry for the ongoing flight disruption" is what infuriates the situation; when words have no meaning behind the phase. Pixelated hold-mus…

"Sorry for any inconvenience"

What do you mean, it's ALL inconvenient!

Re: Flights cancelled at UK airports due to ATC issue

#74

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Ocean liners use several times more fuel per passenger mile than airliners. So what? Two things can be bad at the same time. Nobody mentioned ocean liners except you. Why not bring up the greenhouse gases from landfills while you're at it? Whatabouting everything is so last decade.

Calling everything "whatabouting" when someone is just responding and expanding context to an existing comparison is what's actually last decade.

Last decade is so last decade

Re: Flights cancelled at UK airports due to ATC issue

#75
post #71

Wonder if any of this code was outsourced to India 'cut costs'

Following neoliberal economic strategy has optimized for profit maxing over basic quality of life, let alone competency of building and operating complex systems. While the US is #1 in the trend, the UK is following pretty closely

UK is a cesspit now

Re: Flights cancelled at UK airports due to ATC issue

#76
post #67

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I believe the compensation part only kicks in if it’s the airline’s fault.

You may be right. As a direct result of the NATS issue perhaps not, but any second order issues once that is resolve you might be within scope.

Almost certainly not. The legislation says: "An operating air carrier shall not be obliged to pay compensation [...], if it can prove that the cancellation is caused by extraordinary circumstances which could not have been avoided even if all reasonable measures had been taken."

That gets them off the hook for even second order effects. No harm throwing in a claim though, there's no penalty for having a claim turned down.

Re: Flights cancelled at UK airports due to ATC issue

#77

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Immediately after UK announced sanctions on illegal settlements...

Israel sabotagged Spain as well, I can’t believe how naive most people are in support of Israel

Its disgusting the way they weaponize migration and racism.

Re: Flights cancelled at UK airports due to ATC issue

#78

Better for the planet though.

What's the alternative?

Really often the alternative was not to make the journey. Whether that's the in-person visit to a customer site which could have been a video call (or an email) or the trip to go see how your Porsche was made in the factory.

WG21 (the C++ Standards Committee) only began to allow you to present proposals or attend committee meetings without flying around the world in... 2020 because of Pandemic restrictions.

Video conferencing was one of the technologies in Engelbart's "Mother of all demos" in 1968. Remember that year, not 2008, not even 1998, it was demonstrated in 1968 and yet I bet several readers of this comment have flown on an aeroplane to do something they could have done using video conferencing, almost sixty years later. What a joke.

Re: Flights cancelled at UK airports due to ATC issue

#79
post #41

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Why the use of scare quotes? It's not their fault. The airline arranged for flight crew, had the plane available, yet something outside of their control is preventing them from doing the deed. It's no different to the airline if a sudden bit of weather came along preventing the flight from taking off.

In the UK we use quotation marks when we are quoting some verbatim. Scare quotes are an Americanism that is gaining traction her, but normally we use it for quoting speach.

Why do you claim it is an Americanism? The term 'scare-quotes' was coined by a British philosopher, Elizabeth Anscombe, who references her use of them in a 1956 essay. This would imply that they were in use in British English at least by the 1950s, with no indication as to whether they were imported from US English.

Re: Flights cancelled at UK airports due to ATC issue

#80
Just had to cancel my 10-year passport renewal appointment for tomorrow morning, since it's in London and I'm in the EU. Man, this was a *miserable* way to spend a day. The flight kept getting bumped, heading for certain cancellation (it came, about midnight, long after I had returned from the airport); GPT was incredibly helpful on how to redeem (most of) the shit-ton of money I had paid for a 4-hour passport renewal appointment, and what my rights and obligations were in this situation.

In particular it pointed me to authority docs declaring that if a flight is 5+ hours late, you can refuse to fly, reclaim the money and exit the airport. So when the next update said that the flight had been bumped 9 hours, I had all I needed to secure that and went home. Two hours later, the app announced the flight was cancelled.

Sometimes (really a lot) I want to kick GPT's/Claude's/Gemini's collective rear ends. And then there are times like these, when, with me in a funk, AI cuts straight through to the essential knowledge I need and lowers the temperature.

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