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On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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Post by tristanj »

_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #538
arctic-true wrote: post #35

Buried under the drama is the fact that OpenAI is claiming that an internal model they’ve been training for less than two weeks is more than twice as capable in mathematics as Astra, which was only made public a week ago. Even if this improvement is limited to mathematics, that is an astounding feat.

Can someone explain if i understand this correctly: Are they saying that they started training this new model on August 28th and then started using it on September 1st? Does training a new model only take 3 days?

OpenAI finished another pre-train in late August, and they are now building models off that base. He's saying the specific model OpenAI used to solve this problem is currently in post-training, which started on August 28.

Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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Post by 14u2c »

WarmWash wrote: post #209
mewse-hn wrote: post #78

"we cannot rule out that de-identified data derived from their usage of our products helped improve our models ." What a landmine sentence to bury in this report, you can't rule out your models were spying on other researchers?

Everyone knows that they train on the discounted rate plans data. All the labs are upfront about this too. If you need privacy, then you are going to have to pay full price for those tokens (API). This has been true since day one. Everyone knows it, I guess though this is the first time that it has become "real".

You can also pay for their business plan, which includes data controls and starts at $50/mo (2 seats). Not exactly a high bar.

Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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Post by tzone »

dorjoycb wrote: post #13

It seems like some other mathematicians (not affiliated with openAI) have also (or close to) done this. A statement was posted about the surrounding events by one of the them: https://cims.nyu.edu/%7Etristanb/statement.pdf Also Terrence Tao's post: https://mathstodon.xyz/@tao/117233528517340774

This Tristan guy's statement reads like something a normal, reasonable human being would write.

Reading Sam Altman's and Sebastien's tweets reads like something written by people who know they did dirty shit and are willing to cross any lines to "win". https://x.com/sama/status/2097385167002415140

OpenAI's leadership just can't help to continue to disappoint everyone with their lack of ethics or integrity.

Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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Post by [deleted] »

PhunkyPhil wrote: post #519
tedsanders wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To truly prove some incidental usage data made no difference we'd have to (a) identify any of their de-identified data that came from their usage of ChatGPT, (b) train a bunch of expensive giant models, and (c) ask them all to solve the Navier-Stokes Millenium problem until hitting some level of statistical significance. It's just not feasible to run experiments like this to prove whether a piece of data has an effec…

(a) identify any of their de-identified data that came from their usage of ChatGPT. You don't need his login information, you just need to identify if anyone was approaching the NS problem using his method. Nobody else on earth (presumably) besides him, his team, and at best OpenAI were approaching the problem this way.

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Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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Post by moralestapia »

Imnimo wrote: post #253
tedsanders wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that was the allegation last night. I work at OpenAI, though not on the team that did this, and my understanding is: - we decided to ask our model for Millenium problem solutions because of two reasons: (a) our new model was looking incredibly good and (b) we heard rumors that some Millenium problems had been solved and were curious if our models could solve them (the goal here was not to scoop any particular in…

>we did not read any private chats The question I am interested in is not "did we read private chats", but "was this new model trained using any of Tristan and Levent's chats, regardless of whether they were marked private". Can you comment on that?

>Can you comment on that?

No answer is also an answer.

He's a human, like everybody else. Mostly a bunch of hungry animals looking to put bread in our mouths. It's rarely ever something a bit more sophisticated than that.

Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

sobellian wrote: post #548
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #533

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Even under your interpretation, OAI pushed a button and solved NS. Yes, that is very impressive. Are you kidding me? Imagine building an automated system that can solve NS.

That's not my interpretation - that is literally what OpenAI say in that press release.
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