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Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by icantevenhold »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #273
strictnein wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NSA couldn't care less about you and your customers, nor do they have any interest whatsoever in the megaton of worthless internet traffic that goes through Cloudflare. This article, from over a decade ago now, explains how they actually operate. Gobbling up all the traffic is a 20+ year old idea that never bore any fruit and is amazingly pointless. Instead, they might drop an implant in the SSD firmware of devic…

If I was the director of an agency of the size of the NSA and was evaluating the options purely from that perspective, I'd aim at creating a file on every living citizen on earth, including their social network topology and their activities. Basically a Google search engine that includes information not publicly accessible. I'd create much larger files for persons of interest and authorize targeted surveillance of th…

Isnt that basically Palantirs business model?

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by tjoff »

MisterMunchkin wrote: post #312
jillesvangurp wrote: post #58

It's seriously good value for small websites. Basically, there is no cost aside from the domain. And for registering and managing domains, they are pretty much the most affordable option as well. And they have a few other things that aren't half bad to use with pretty generous freemium layers. We used Google's CDN for the last six years or so but it's pretty annoying to deal with and you have to pay for a load balanc…

AWS isn't aimed at regular people, it's infrastructure as a service. You use it because you need a thousand servers, or a redundant system that can survive a data centre exploding. If you just need a single server that you don't care about then it's way cheaper to just own it yourself. You probably don't need 99.999999999999999% guarantees for your data, but if you're a bank then you do need those guarantees because…

Cargo culting is probably the biggest reason people use AWS.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by everfrustrated »

mitxela wrote: post #293

People rarely reach for a CDN. They only ever reach for Cloudflare. Nobody's reaching for Akamai without a good sales pitch, nobody's tossing up between Akamai and Cloudflare, everyone's using CF because it's free. And they don't need the thing CF offers, they don't go out looking for it, it comes to them and they say "that sounds neat" and set it up.

Last I looked you can't even use Akamai without signing a sales agreement ahead of using them.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

p-e-w wrote: post #292
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Internet runs on tens of thousands of massive datacenters. "The Internet" would require 1000 times less servers if it wasn't running off Python scripts in Docker containers in VMs in a virtual overlay network. (I'm exaggerating these numbers only slightly.)

Sure. But a government agency has secretly rebuilt all the same infrastructure without Python, on a shoestring budget compared to what Big Tech is spending, yet it’s a lot more efficient than what they use, right?

Caveat: I have zero experience with USA government agencies. The spying tech from other countries I'm familiar with are beige box routers made by network engineering types with embedded firmware written in C inside.

I think spying on traffic is just a massively simpler task than generating content.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by esseph »

embedding-shape wrote: post #135
viraptor wrote: post #125

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This is not how things work and no company providing online services for money would rate limit like that. This would do nothing for real world DDoS. You're in "not even wrong" territory. And for large services implementing a CDN properly takes days/weeks of preparation. Once you're down it's way too late.

Yeah, of course if you're a large service, stuff that works for SMEs isn't gonna work for you... If your problem is AI crawlers, then simple rate limits help, I've helped countless of businesses with this already. For the ones that it isn't enough, you continue adding more roadblocks. There is no "one size fits all here" and that you seemingly is under that belief, leads less credence to what you're saying, not more.

Brother if you have the solution, start a company.

There are people willing to throw money at you.

But Free is hard to beat with a global presence.

And please listen to what others are saying here, there's a lot of experienced people here. It is no longer 1998, 2008, or even 2018. The traffic a basic website experiences now is a massive increase, especially for those well SEO'd and using TLS.

Also you said this:

> CDN is something you do once you run out of options, not something you should reach for immediately, it makes no sense in most cases of just hosting a website.

Origin obfuscation.

Also greatly helps to protect it directly from various attacks and scans, especially in our new LLM driven security world where new 0days are being found constantly. How much at risk are you willing to put the SMB?

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by bigyabai »

foldr wrote: post #180
Roark66 wrote: post #169

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As a European that lives 200km from the Russian border it seems the USA has been supporting Russia in its current war a lot more than China. Consider these points: - US withdrawing it's "Intel support" just as Russia started a major offensive last year. - US starting the war on Iran clearly to help their pal Putin on oil prices, now they try to use Ukraine as a scapegoat for "attacking Russian oil export infrastructu…

US motives are currently inscrutable, but the US is sending military hardware to Ukraine, whereas China is sending dual-use hardware to Russia. You can see an itemised list of US contributions at the following link. It's not nothing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukrain...

Overall I agree with you, but I'd be wary of taking these numbers at face value. For instance, $20b of America's $65b aid contribution comes from a loan that's repaid by selling off sanctioned Russian assets. Many of the weapon systems sent over are decades old, but valued at the price the US paid for it in the 1980s/1990s.

Side-by-side with, for example, itemized Israeli aid, it's pretty clear which conflict the US is putting on the back-burner.

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Post by phainopepla2 »

Roark66 wrote: post #169
aivisol wrote: post #144

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Please speak for yourself. Not everyone in Europe thinks US is bigger problem than China. For many China is far bigger geopolitical threat since they openly support Russia in its current war.

As a European that lives 200km from the Russian border it seems the USA has been supporting Russia in its current war a lot more than China. Consider these points: - US withdrawing it's "Intel support" just as Russia started a major offensive last year. - US starting the war on Iran clearly to help their pal Putin on oil prices, now they try to use Ukraine as a scapegoat for "attacking Russian oil export infrastructu…

> it seems the USA has been supporting Russia in its current war a lot more than China

Don't be ridiculous. The US literally provides targeting information to Ukraine, including for long-range missile strikes deep inside Russia earlier this year.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by toast0 »

ghoul2 wrote: post #156
jillesvangurp wrote: post #58

It's seriously good value for small websites. Basically, there is no cost aside from the domain. And for registering and managing domains, they are pretty much the most affordable option as well. And they have a few other things that aren't half bad to use with pretty generous freemium layers. We used Google's CDN for the last six years or so but it's pretty annoying to deal with and you have to pay for a load balanc…

I also believed that, but at least for India, this doesn't work in practice. Unless you atleast do the 25$ pro plan, cloudflare routes even india-to-india, hell, even mumbai-to-mumbai and aws_mumbai-to-cloudflare_mumbai traffic via Marsaille!! Not even Singapore. The unstated reason is that indian transit is expensive, though I fail to believe its cheaper to go from mumbai to marsaille and back to mumbai. I am guessi…

> The unstated reason is that indian transit is expensive, though I fail to believe its cheaper to go from mumbai to marsaille and back to mumbai.

IMHO, it's not that hard to believe.

a) Every hosting provider I've looked at prices for charges significantly more for bandwidth from their Indian locations.

b) In the US, transit providers basically never charged different rates for different destinations [1]. In Europe, it's typically rare, sometimes transit to the local incumbent telecom is more, sometimes there's a different rate for Europe or non-Europe, but there won't be a specific destination charge for India, it will be part of a blended rate. Otoh, east Asia often has separate rates for specific nearby countries and India is likely to be one of those...

Transit prices in Europe are pretty low compared to prices in India, so the blended price being less than the India direct price is not surprising to me at all.

[1] gcp premium does charge by destination, but the premium transit price is pretty close to their price for cross location traffic to something near the destination + non-premium traffic from that location... Which is more or less what their premium network egress is.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by MentalM »

Roark66 wrote: post #169
aivisol wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please speak for yourself. Not everyone in Europe thinks US is bigger problem than China. For many China is far bigger geopolitical threat since they openly support Russia in its current war.

As a European that lives 200km from the Russian border it seems the USA has been supporting Russia in its current war a lot more than China. Consider these points: - US withdrawing it's "Intel support" just as Russia started a major offensive last year. - US starting the war on Iran clearly to help their pal Putin on oil prices, now they try to use Ukraine as a scapegoat for "attacking Russian oil export infrastructu…

> it seems the USA has been supporting Russia in its current war a lot more than China.

No way that's true.

China is main ally of Russia. China have a huge economic exchange with Russia, China is the sole gateway to technology for Russia, and provide a great amount of political support for Russia.

Even if we are comparing USA and EU in those aspects, EU's support of Russia is way bigger. EU spends huge amounts of money for purchasing energy resources from Russia, EU spends far less money on help against Russian invasion than US (although EU's population is larger, and that issue is way more pressing for them).

I mean look at the numbers: EU spends on confrontation with Russia less money, than they have spent on economic crisis in Greece or something. That is how they perceive this problem and how "important" it is to them.

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