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What Turned Jaron Lanier Against the Web?

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Re: What Turned Jaron Lanier Against the Web?

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Jaron Lanier always seems to be about to make a deep, profound point, or to be talking as though he just made a deep, profound point. Somehow I always miss the point, though.

This is my experience of him, too. I've never understood why he gets the attention he does, except perhaps that he fits a nice caricature of what people who want to be lectured at, think the lecturer looks like. Besides a branch of technology that fizzled out, he's contributed nothing of which I'm aware has had any real impact on my daily life. Being a perennial on the TED circuit is an effect, not a cause.

Re: What Turned Jaron Lanier Against the Web?

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I don't know if Jaron is right or not about the web, information freedom, and its effects on musicians, translators, and other content creators. It will take a few more years to find out what happens to a society with true freedom of information once the dust has settled, assuming we actually manage to build one.

One thing from the article that did really hit me is the quote, “This is the thing that continues to scare me. You see in history the capacity of people to congeal—like social lasers of cruelty. That capacity is constant.”

I see it on a small scale all the time. The tendency that lets middle-schoolers pick on ugly kids and the Westboro Baptists to spread hate about gays is the same flaw in group psychology that gives us witch hunts and holocausts and suicide bombers. "Kill the outsider! Shun the nonbeliever! Purify the tribe! Root our the Communists!"

To the people involved it feels so perfect and righteous and true. We never realize until it's too late what a horrible thing they've started. This pattern, this tendency toward purges and mass hysterias, has probably been with us as long as we've had tribes and it's not going anywhere unless we do something very serious about it. Human nature is old and big and it doesn't go down without a fight. This particular quirk of human nature scares the shit out of me. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say it threatens the very survival of our species.

Again I don't know much about this Jaron character but I get the feeling we're on the same side. "Social lasers of cruelty" is a perfect name for something I've been trying to pin down and name for a while now.

Re: What Turned Jaron Lanier Against the Web?

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I don't know if Jaron is right or not about the web, information freedom, and its effects on musicians, translators, and other content creators. It will take a few more years to find out what happens to a society with true freedom of information once the dust has settled, assuming we actually manage to build one. One thing from the article that did really hit me is the quote, “This is the thing that continues to scar…

Indeed, the early days of 'living online' offered a respite from peer pressure. The rise of 'social' and arrival of everyone means conformist pressures are back, and maybe stronger than ever... the high school that you can never leave.

Re: What Turned Jaron Lanier Against the Web?

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Not sure why Lanier's opinion is relevant. Like Kurzweil, seems like he did his best work in the past and is mostly coasting on past cred these days.

Fortunately his arguments (his actual arguments in the book, not the summaries in the press) can be evaluated on their merits.

Re: What Turned Jaron Lanier Against the Web?

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This guy has always been a shyster, even back in the Mondo 2000 years. I think it's just as likely that he ran out of gullible audience to buy into his particular brand of elitist, VRML Kool-Aid.

did you read the article? ironically, he's kind of concerned about people like you.

Just like religious people "worry" about those resistant to the fold. It's a form of pity inflicted upon those unconvinced by his perspective.

Re: What Turned Jaron Lanier Against the Web?

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Jaron Lanier always seems to be about to make a deep, profound point, or to be talking as though he just made a deep, profound point. Somehow I always miss the point, though.

The point is that he's sweeping away strawmen left and right, leaving himself at the center of what remains.
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