Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

Post by p-e-w » Tue, Sep 08, 2026, 3:06 PM UTC

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There’s no way a single datacenter costing a couple of billion dollars can store “all Internet traffic the NSA can access”, unless the traffic the NSA can access is a microscopic fraction of the total Internet traffic. Think about it. The Internet runs on tens of thousands of massive datacenters. Thousands are being built as we speak. Obviously a single datacenter cannot hold an appreciable fraction of that. BTW, the…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairview_%28surveillance_progr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A Public information shows that the NSA has been active intercepting as much data as possible. It doesn't require the budget of a FAANG to peek through a significant volume of internet data.

Post by mitxela » Tue, Sep 08, 2026, 3:09 PM UTC

Post by mitxela » Tue, Sep 08, 2026, 3:10 PM UTC

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> The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers You're replying to a comment talking about migrating from Google, so I assume you're claiming this is more of a risk with Cloudflare than Google (or other American providers like AWS)? If so, what's your source for that claim?

Heck the NSA backdoored our head of states phones - if “NSA wants my data” is your threat model you are pretty much cooked everywhere. Even if you host on your own server and operate everything yourself it’s no big secret that the NSA is listening in on the node/isp level

Post by mitxela » Tue, Sep 08, 2026, 3:12 PM UTC

TallGuyShort wrote: post #256

icantevenhold wrote: post #223

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Heck the NSA backdoored our head of states phones - if “NSA wants my data” is your threat model you are pretty much cooked everywhere. Even if you host on your own server and operate everything yourself it’s no big secret that the NSA is listening in on the node/isp level

"The “threat model” section of a security paper resembles the script for a telenovela that was written by a paranoid schizophrenic: there are elaborate narratives and grand conspiracy theories, and there are heroes and villains with fantastic (yet oddly constrained) powers that necessitate a grinding battle of emotional and technical attrition. In the real world, threat models are much simpler (see Figure 1). Basical…

Post by ghoul2 » Tue, Sep 08, 2026, 3:14 PM UTC

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I also believed that, but at least for India, this doesn't work in practice. Unless you atleast do the 25$ pro plan, cloudflare routes even india-to-india, hell, even mumbai-to-mumbai and aws_mumbai-to-cloudflare_mumbai traffic via Marsaille!! Not even Singapore. The unstated reason is that indian transit is expensive, though I fail to believe its cheaper to go from mumbai to marsaille and back to mumbai. I am guessi…

Transit in some countries, like India, genuinely is that expensive. Keep in mind it doesn’t cost Cloudflare any more to serve Indian traffic from Marsaille than to serve non-peered French traffic from that colo - they aren’t paying the cost of getting traffic between India and France.