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They are mocking Sholto's support of Levent. I thought Noam Borwn would be above this but i think the cutlure withitn OpenAI encourages it.
seems to me the Noam tweet was before the Sholto tweet? 2:47 am (eastern time for me) https://x.com/polynoamial/status/2097215233119211902 2:59 am https://x.com/_sholtodouglas/status/2097218331690578000/
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It isn't relevant whether they were promised that. Indeed I think the assumption must be that they were not promised that, since otherwise the author asking if they were would not make much sense. If OpenAI did use the conversations from Buckmaster and Alpoge, then not disclosing it, explicitly, is plagiarism. If they planned to use that plagiarism to pressure the authors to publish, that is even more unethical. What…
That's absolutely right. Why the downvotes? If OpenAI are using but not acknowledging the work of others that's plagiarism. If they don't know for sure, but aren't performing due dilligence to make sure they aren't, that's also plagiarism.
If I know person A is working on problem B.
I am free to work on problem B too. Why should person A be limited to working on it.
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Only for ChatGPT, if the user hasn’t opted out. Would mathematicians be using ChatGPT for this kind of work? Genuinely asking, I know nothing about this!
Yes, mathematicians are. And yes, most of my colleagues did not even know the opt-out was an option.
I bet a lot of lawyers are salivating at this question too.
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> https://openai.com/policies/how-your-data-is-used-to-improve... They explicitly say that they use your "content" to improve their models. Considering they practically have infinite compute at their disposal, why is it surprising that they would look for juicy data in there to make them look good ? When they ingested basically the entirety of human knowledge without regard to the rights of others, when they burn boo…
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Is it really hard to believe the people who would consume all the world’s data regardless of copyright and norms and permissions would not respect the data privacy of a user?
I'm not one to comment often but this really pisses me off. OpenAI looked at user data, stole world class researchers' work, and then tried to threaten those researchers to do what would make their corporation profit (which they would anyways!). Imagine you have been working on a terribly difficult math problem for a decade. This is a result you have spent years on, and what you will likely be remembered for. And to…
I'm stunned that people are taking this accusation as a fact. OpenAI is no stranger to rivalry with Anthropic but 1. it's not like user data is sitting around on some kitchen table somewhere and 2. I consider OpenAI to be as economically motivated as any other actor in this space and playing around with user data like that would destroy their business. There are things that Buckmaster alleged and things that he specu…
Their entire business is based on stealing data. They can make a calculation that the cost stealing data is less than the cost of the positive publicity they can shape for solving Millennium NS
Drama/accusation summary: - Aug 15th: Tristan Buckmaster & Levent Alpöge make progress on a few important math problems, "finite-time blowup with smooth forcing for incompressible porous media, for Boussinesq, and for 3d incompressible Euler." - they do NOT have a proof for the $1,000,000 Millenium Prize problem. BUT, they do claim to have a proof for a similar (non-Millenium) Navier Stokes problem that could help le…
Ignoring the drama, when can we expect the lean proof of this great sensational discovery?
Regardless of mathematicians stating the methods outstrip the proof’s importance, still amazing we got an explicit social counterexample as well so quickly.
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> leaving aside the idea that OA might've used data from the researchers Codex sessions Why leave that aside? That is _the_ story. If a Chinese research lab did this we'd call it espionage.
Because they didn't do that. Tristan doesn't specifically claim that they did, and Anthropic employees don't think they did either. https://x.com/_sholtodouglas/status/2097218240397410733
So to say that it is unlikely is extremely suspicious. No, they did not literally pull user data. But user data is automatically added to their training set by default, so their latest in-house model would be trained on it if it is from several months ago. It isn't intentional on their part, and they probably realised they could not refute that they trained on Tristan's logs unintentionally, hence why they acted the way they did.
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They are mocking Sholto's support of Levent. I thought Noam Borwn would be above this but i think the cutlure withitn OpenAI encourages it.
seems to me the Noam tweet was before the Sholto tweet? 2:47 am (eastern time for me) https://x.com/polynoamial/status/2097215233119211902 2:59 am https://x.com/_sholtodouglas/status/2097218331690578000/