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Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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Post by yardie »

ramgine wrote: post #9

I got my current job because I could lead the hyper-v to VMware migration project. Just this year I led the VMware to hyper-v migration project. VMware was such a great product (although a bit cumbersome in the VCF environment I managed). It’s really unfortunate it went the way of Broadcom. In comparison Hyper-v feels like a typical Microsoft product. A bunch of different tools created by different teams to do tasks…

> I have to run FCM to manage the nodes? But I run HVM to manage the roles? But there’s no overall resource management like VMware vsphere or proxmox does natively?

Microsoft hides their best stuff in SCVMM, which is another product and another license they want you to purchase. Anytime I've asked someone from MS why I can't X like I can in vCenter the response was usually, "oh, it's in System Center. FCM, HVM are just stripped down. If you need it you should buy System Center."

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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Post by Brian_K_White »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #30
throw0101a wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The bigger you are, the less you need the convenience of outsourcing, not more. Quite often the bigger you are the more the higher ups want risk to be mitigated, and so are often glad to cut a cheque to be able to yell at someone over the phone.

The other aspect is that they want fungibility. As a corporation, you use off-the-shelf solutions so that when you do your big layoffs every few years you can rotate in some other cogs who already know how to operate the standard solution. Building in-house means valuing your employees long-term and we can't have any of that going on.

god you're so right of course

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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Post by thekrendal »

m4rtink wrote: post #82
SanjayMehta wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to remember this isn't Broadcom the chip company at work, this is really Avago which took on the Broadcom name when they acquired the latter. Avago's business model is to acquire cash cow businesses and then milk them dry. These VMware changes are consistent with that model.

Broadcom/Avago, please buy Atlassian! I beg you, pretty please! You will make an insane amount of money and make the world a much better place!

It's bad enough already, please no.

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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Post by franktankbank »

WokeUp420 wrote: post #89
Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> quietly built a proxmox cluster Why is your place of work not moving wholesale to Proxmox? It's mad that HyperV is chosen as a solution in this day and age.

Proxmox is amateur hour. No enterprise support

Is enterprise support super valuable these days when you get shafted anyway? Just pay for in house ya dingus.

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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Post by jms703 »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #39
soamv wrote: post #34

As an old ex-vmware eng it's kinda sad reading all these articles about broadcom's controlled descent into terrain. A lot of really cool and useful engineering was done in vmware's heyday, and it was often delivered in rather shaky commercial shapes, but for a while the whole thing kinda worked. And broadcom seems to see it as a company that is long past its ability to innovate, extracting as many dollars as possible…

You need to remember this isn't Broadcom the chip company at work, this is really Avago which took on the Broadcom name when they acquired the latter. Avago's business model is to acquire cash cow businesses and then milk them dry. These VMware changes are consistent with that model.

Yeah, this is the new norm. Best not to waste too many tears on it. I guess this surprises some people.

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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Post by rwmj »

nubinetwork wrote: post #105
WokeUp420 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try doing that to 3,000 production VMs.

Where do you work that a single sysadmin manages 3000 VMs?

We're running a migration from VMware to Red Hat Openshift Virt for one customer right now which is over 150,000 VMs. That's a big one, but five figure number of VMs is very typical.

I gave a 5 min lightning talk about this a couple of years back: https://pretalx.com/devconf-cz-2024/talk/SN93LG/

People talking here about Proxmox make me laugh.

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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Post by someothherguyy »

xyzelement wrote: post #55
tstrimple wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lead roughly $20M in cloud migration projects in the last two years away from vmware to cloud services as replacements. Just insane what MBAs are willing to do to a product to squeeze short term profits. Even more insane that this country largely sees these people as a benefit to society and not the vultures they are.

Engineer with an MBA here. I don't think anyone finds this flavor of activity beneficial. What's beneficial is the underlying system that is sufficiently free and flexible that great things (like VMware to begin with) are possible. As much as we don't like "this" we don't want to put any bureaucrats in power to squash creativity and enterprise. Much like freedom of speech means someone can speak abhorrently, freedom…

> Much like freedom of speech means someone can speak abhorrently, freedom of enterprise means someone can do bad or dumb business things.

No?

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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Post by c0l0 »

WokeUp420 wrote: post #89
Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> quietly built a proxmox cluster Why is your place of work not moving wholesale to Proxmox? It's mad that HyperV is chosen as a solution in this day and age.

Proxmox is amateur hour. No enterprise support

This is loser talk.

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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Post by stroebs »

VMware is still seen as "platinum" level in my org compared to Proxmox, which I guess to a certain degree is true. But the features in use are basic VMs with vMotion. Proxmox provides that out of the box. Granted we've had a couple issues with a corosync wobble on larger clusters which was fixed long-term by putting corosync on a separate set of switches.

So far the Proxmox experience has been pretty flawless. We run a several hundred k8s VMs orchestrated by Rancher and use the dynamic load balancing feature that came with 9.2 so no noisy neighbours. Haven't dabbled too much with Ceph as the VMs are backed with NetApp arrays but I anticipate it to be pretty smooth when we reach that point.

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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Post by JeremyNT »

xyzelement wrote: post #55
tstrimple wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lead roughly $20M in cloud migration projects in the last two years away from vmware to cloud services as replacements. Just insane what MBAs are willing to do to a product to squeeze short term profits. Even more insane that this country largely sees these people as a benefit to society and not the vultures they are.

Engineer with an MBA here. I don't think anyone finds this flavor of activity beneficial. What's beneficial is the underlying system that is sufficiently free and flexible that great things (like VMware to begin with) are possible. As much as we don't like "this" we don't want to put any bureaucrats in power to squash creativity and enterprise. Much like freedom of speech means someone can speak abhorrently, freedom…

> I don't think anyone finds this flavor of activity beneficial. What's beneficial is the underlying system that is sufficiently free and flexible that great things (like VMware to begin with) are possible. As much as we don't like "this" we don't want to put any bureaucrats in power to squash creativity and enterprise.

Ultimately, the purpose of a system is what it does.

We've structured our society such that performing this type of activity is extremely lucrative, and financial engineering is by all appearances the endeavor that humans value above all others.

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