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PISA 2025 Students' reading and mathematics performance declined across the OECD

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Re: PISA 2025 Students' reading and mathematics performance declined across the OECD

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Post by omnicognate »

a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #3

Makes sense. The kids can see that education isn't really going to be a sellable skill when AI ends up coming into full force. AI already writes most of the articles I see posted here, is doing math at the level of the best mathematicians, and is writing a ton of the code out there. Given another decade to develop, the kids will be hitting the workforce with very stiff competition. It's not a shock they're putting th…

> is doing math at the level of the best mathematics

Terence Tao a few days ago [1]:

> When we point the AIs at really difficult problems where none of the standard techniques apply, they are still very, very bad, I mean they're just randomly guessing.

Please don't reply saying they'll be proving the Collatz conjecture next week. It adds nothing.

[1] https://youtu.be/svl_1upFpQo (worth watching on the role of LLMs in maths)

Re: PISA 2025 Students' reading and mathematics performance declined across the OECD

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Post by GPerson »

a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #3

Makes sense. The kids can see that education isn't really going to be a sellable skill when AI ends up coming into full force. AI already writes most of the articles I see posted here, is doing math at the level of the best mathematicians, and is writing a ton of the code out there. Given another decade to develop, the kids will be hitting the workforce with very stiff competition. It's not a shock they're putting th…

I hope people recognize this account doom posts what amounts to misanthropic propaganda at a very high rate. There’s never any question how the comment is going to be framed. It’s always, “give up little humans, your robot overlords are here.”

Re: PISA 2025 Students' reading and mathematics performance declined across the OECD

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Post by tsimionescu »

nntwozz wrote: post #10

At Chalmers University of Technology in Gothenburg Sweden 80% of the students would pass the entrance exam in the 60s. These days it's reversed, only 20% pass. I was told this was the case around 2005 when I studied there. The exam has not changed in difficulty.

What's the difference in how many people apply?

Re: PISA 2025 Students' reading and mathematics performance declined across the OECD

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Post by lordnacho »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #5
a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #3

Makes sense. The kids can see that education isn't really going to be a sellable skill when AI ends up coming into full force. AI already writes most of the articles I see posted here, is doing math at the level of the best mathematicians, and is writing a ton of the code out there. Given another decade to develop, the kids will be hitting the workforce with very stiff competition. It's not a shock they're putting th…

Dunno man, the articles ai writes are empty cardboard crap, and the code it produces is hot garbage. “Cleaner upper of AI messes” might be a good future skill to have.

I don't think you can dismiss the output quality so easily.

Give yourself a few hours to write out some code in the old way. Can you really tell me that you could not have done a better job with AI in the same time?

Eg, implement chess or poker games.

Or write a component like a Swiss table.

It's not obvious to me that AI produces bad work at all.

Re: PISA 2025 Students' reading and mathematics performance declined across the OECD

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Post by adrianN »

nntwozz wrote: post #10

At Chalmers University of Technology in Gothenburg Sweden 80% of the students would pass the entrance exam in the 60s. These days it's reversed, only 20% pass. I was told this was the case around 2005 when I studied there. The exam has not changed in difficulty.

What percentage of the population is expected to get university education today vs the sixties?

Re: PISA 2025 Students' reading and mathematics performance declined across the OECD

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Post by a2ff6eeb0 »

omnicognate wrote: post #11
a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #3

Makes sense. The kids can see that education isn't really going to be a sellable skill when AI ends up coming into full force. AI already writes most of the articles I see posted here, is doing math at the level of the best mathematicians, and is writing a ton of the code out there. Given another decade to develop, the kids will be hitting the workforce with very stiff competition. It's not a shock they're putting th…

> is doing math at the level of the best mathematics Terence Tao a few days ago [1]: > When we point the AIs at really difficult problems where none of the standard techniques apply, they are still very, very bad, I mean they're just randomly guessing. Please don't reply saying they'll be proving the Collatz conjecture next week. It adds nothing. [1] https://youtu.be/svl_1upFpQo (worth watching on the role of LLMs in…

Let's see you solve some open problems before you dismiss LLM capabilities. They're working at a level far beyond all but the best of the best.

And we're only a couple of years in. Their capabilities aren't going to be getting worse over time. These kids will be hitting the workforce after AI has another decade of improvement put into it.

Re: PISA 2025 Students' reading and mathematics performance declined across the OECD

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Post by adrianN »

omnicognate wrote: post #11
a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #3

Makes sense. The kids can see that education isn't really going to be a sellable skill when AI ends up coming into full force. AI already writes most of the articles I see posted here, is doing math at the level of the best mathematicians, and is writing a ton of the code out there. Given another decade to develop, the kids will be hitting the workforce with very stiff competition. It's not a shock they're putting th…

> is doing math at the level of the best mathematics Terence Tao a few days ago [1]: > When we point the AIs at really difficult problems where none of the standard techniques apply, they are still very, very bad, I mean they're just randomly guessing. Please don't reply saying they'll be proving the Collatz conjecture next week. It adds nothing. [1] https://youtu.be/svl_1upFpQo (worth watching on the role of LLMs in…

The best mathematicians are also not very good at solving the hardest problems though. By definition.

Re: PISA 2025 Students' reading and mathematics performance declined across the OECD

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Post by myrmidon »

squishington wrote: post #8
tokai wrote: post #2

Great. With later and later retirement dates, its important that the younger generations are easier to compete with. /s

That's quite funny, but the new recruits at my work place are super smart and full of piss and vinegar. Much more motivated than some of the older workers. The problem is that they will work lots of unpaid overtime, and they have no idea about work boundaries and being exploited by employers.

Depending on the education/age of new recruits, you might not have seen much of the, younger, lower scored cohort, because the sharp performance drop only really started after 2018 (so the oldest affected people are around 22).

Re: PISA 2025 Students' reading and mathematics performance declined across the OECD

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Post by jahller »

AdamN wrote: post #7
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno man, the articles ai writes are empty cardboard crap, and the code it produces is hot garbage. “Cleaner upper of AI messes” might be a good future skill to have.

As has been said before we've been cleaning up garbage code for generations and that doesn't look even close to changing anytime soon.

100%, does it matter if I cleanup the mess of another dev or of an AI? I don't think so.
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