It is much much worse than that: the real jail is the "web javascript" of the web engines of the whatwg cartel, well roughly speaking.
There's a new "Google Jail" for independent wikis
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Re: There's a new "Google Jail" for independent wikis
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
It wouldn't surprise me. It seems like a mirror of the social media move from social graphs to recommendation engines. You are either producer or consumer and never shall consumer be promoted organically.
The answer is simple. Limit your time on social media the way you'd be limiting a child and focus on IRL interactions.
I also find IRL social interactions also want pacing to some degree. But I don't know, I find my brain is sort of wired for these sorts of novel, pseudonymous interactions from a young age.
Re: There's a new "Google Jail" for independent wikis
#83Some of this might just be problems with the websites themselves. With the Path Of Exile 2 Wiki example, I'm looking at the sitemaps. Once you get through the first sitemap of nested sitemaps (ugh, not a fan of those), the very first actual sitemap returns: XML Parsing Error: no root element found Location: https://www.poe2wiki.net/sitemap/sitemap-poe_wiki-poe2_wiki--NS_0-0.xml Line Number 18040, Column 1 (EDIT: Of c…
The poe2wiki issue is a little different to what is documented, albeit only for the last few months, previously we certainly had visibility issues.
The recent issues relate to site errors due to aggressive crawling of uncached, server-intensive pages (diffs, etc) hidden behind residential proxies. We were being hit sufficiently hard that the server had stability issues and we were penalised by Google.
Re: There's a new "Google Jail" for independent wikis
#84Some of this might just be problems with the websites themselves. With the Path Of Exile 2 Wiki example, I'm looking at the sitemaps. Once you get through the first sitemap of nested sitemaps (ugh, not a fan of those), the very first actual sitemap returns: XML Parsing Error: no root element found Location: https://www.poe2wiki.net/sitemap/sitemap-poe_wiki-poe2_wiki--NS_0-0.xml Line Number 18040, Column 1 (EDIT: Of c…
This is all valid critique, but I have great difficulty believing Google's crawler behaves anything like yours. I would expect Google to handle broken or missing sitemaps, honestly.
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Re: There's a new "Google Jail" for independent wikis
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
It wouldn't surprise me. It seems like a mirror of the social media move from social graphs to recommendation engines. You are either producer or consumer and never shall consumer be promoted organically.
The answer is simple. Limit your time on social media the way you'd be limiting a child and focus on IRL interactions.
What if I want to spend my time discussing things that are not represented in my geographical region?
Re: There's a new "Google Jail" for independent wikis
#86Some of this might just be problems with the websites themselves. With the Path Of Exile 2 Wiki example, I'm looking at the sitemaps. Once you get through the first sitemap of nested sitemaps (ugh, not a fan of those), the very first actual sitemap returns: XML Parsing Error: no root element found Location: https://www.poe2wiki.net/sitemap/sitemap-poe_wiki-poe2_wiki--NS_0-0.xml Line Number 18040, Column 1 (EDIT: Of c…
There's no need to speculate on whether the sitemap is received correctly by Google since Google Search Console tells you how many pages it can discover from the sitemap you submitted.
Re: There's a new "Google Jail" for independent wikis
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you can love what we're doing with the wikis, but also be candid that it's not an optimal reader-facing domain name. It was never really intended to be that - it's literally just named after a random item in RuneScape I discovered But it ended up being the only reasonable place we owned where we could put Fortnite, Overwatch and Valheim wikis that wouldn't get crushed by this new Google jail situation. Of cou…
Thank you so much for what you do. > Of course the alternative is what the parent comment suggests ("probably just need a good base domain for game wikis") - but you have to get THAT domain out of Google jail first. So why not get such domain, wait out until it is let out of Google Jail and then put all the wikis on subdomains? I imagine you would quickly gain trust and people would immediately recognize the links an…
Re the first question, you have to park at least one wiki on said domain for around a year, during which Google will refuse to show other page other than the main page. That's just not really a realistic option is it.
Re: There's a new "Google Jail" for independent wikis
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thank you so much for what you do. > Of course the alternative is what the parent comment suggests ("probably just need a good base domain for game wikis") - but you have to get THAT domain out of Google jail first. So why not get such domain, wait out until it is let out of Google Jail and then put all the wikis on subdomains? I imagine you would quickly gain trust and people would immediately recognize the links an…
Re the first question, you have to park at least one wiki on said domain for around a year, during which Google will refuse to show other page other than the main page. That's just not really a realistic option is it.
Per the article they don't.
> There’s a bit of light at the end of the tunnel, though - based on our experiments so far, it seems like once we establish these new wikis fairly well on Google, it should be safe to move them off weirdgloop.org back to whatever the appropriate name was, while keeping the existing Google juice that the subdomain picked up. I’m hoping that in 6 months or so we can just 301 redirect overwatch.weirdgloop.org to overwatch.wiki, use Google’s change of address tool, and put these wikis to where they should have been in the first place.
Re: There's a new "Google Jail" for independent wikis
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Re the first question, you have to park at least one wiki on said domain for around a year, during which Google will refuse to show other page other than the main page. That's just not really a realistic option is it.
Per the article they don't. > There’s a bit of light at the end of the tunnel, though - based on our experiments so far, it seems like once we establish these new wikis fairly well on Google, it should be safe to move them off weirdgloop.org back to whatever the appropriate name was, while keeping the existing Google juice that the subdomain picked up. I’m hoping that in 6 months or so we can just 301 redirect overwa…
I mean, at that point isn't it better for the community to just leave the wiki on overwatch.wiki instead of overwatch.?
Re: There's a new "Google Jail" for independent wikis
#90I am more confident fandom will exist than “weirdgloop”, 10 years from now. Who is laying the bills for weirdgloop? This does not say. From how it is written seems to be a one man show: https://weirdgloop.org/blog/why-were-helping-more-wikis-move...
They do ads on the RuneScape Wiki[1]. A couple of their wikis are also official wikis funded by game studios, such as Jagex for the RuneScape Wiki, Riot Games for Leagues, 2xko and Valorant, and Digital Extremes for Warframe.