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Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

lukan wrote: post #96
thesmtsolver2 wrote: post #84

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Didn’t you read the memo? Only European govts or China can act in the interests of their people and companies but if the US does that it is immoral.

One difference is, EU or China don't act as global hegemon and claim to promote freedom, democracy and free markets for everyone.

> EU or China don't act as global hegemon

France has global geopolitical projects, as does China in South America, Central Asia and Africa. Both export arms into conflicts and conduct global intelligence operations.

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Post by simondotau »

thesmtsolver2 wrote: post #84
jonnybgood wrote: post #81

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> Doing it in a way that won't invite retaliation from the US Gov (which seems more and more like the PR arm of US big tech) is even trickier. You mean the US government working towards the interests of its people and economy? Which government wouldn't? It's kinda what we want it to do.

Didn’t you read the memo? Only European govts or China can act in the interests of their people and companies but if the US does that it is immoral.

I agree with what you’re inferring. But that said, there’s a valid argument to be had that—for some things—your own government is a unique threat that other people’s governments are not, or less so.

I’m Australian, and if I was worried about the practical legal risk of being tracked online by a government, it’s mostly concern about my own. A foreign friendly government is mid tier: it’s unlikely that five eyes is an intel firehouse, so it’s unlikely for your petty domestic matter to be communicated. A foreign hostile government is probably safer if you’re committing domestic crimes.

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Post by embedding-shape »

viraptor wrote: post #125
embedding-shape wrote: post #46

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Your webserver most likely have "rate limiting" built in already, which you can configure to act based on lots of variables typically. Set a limit of 1 req/s or whatever, and you've stopped 99% of all DDoS you'll encounter on the public web. If your visitors get cranky, up it to 10 req/s and you still are preventing most of the "abusive traffic", granted your backend/website isn't completely upside down when it comes…

This is not how things work and no company providing online services for money would rate limit like that. This would do nothing for real world DDoS. You're in "not even wrong" territory. And for large services implementing a CDN properly takes days/weeks of preparation. Once you're down it's way too late.

Yeah, of course if you're a large service, stuff that works for SMEs isn't gonna work for you...

If your problem is AI crawlers, then simple rate limits help, I've helped countless of businesses with this already. For the ones that it isn't enough, you continue adding more roadblocks. There is no "one size fits all here" and that you seemingly is under that belief, leads less credence to what you're saying, not more.

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Post by theideaofcoffee »

embedding-shape wrote: post #54
viraptor wrote: post #50

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> you need to configure your webserver to rate limit stuff that suck bandwidth/CPU from you This works for cases where the traffic takes too long to process. Once you get 3gbit traffic on your 1gbit link, you can't do anything yourself - the only thing that can save you is a bigger pipe.

> Once you get 3gbit traffic on your 1gbit link, you can't do anything yourself - the only thing that can save you is a bigger pipe. Realistically, out of the DDoS we typically see, how many are in fact "they had bigger pipes than you"? I've come across that once in my ~3 decade career maintaining infrastructure for websites, some quite popular. Most of the time the attacks are relatively low-effort and easy to stave…

Dozens and dozens of times. And having the bigger pipe has always saved it, along with the supporting infrastructure to churn through that traffic.

> But again, those sort of attacks seem to happen seldom

[citation needed] and direct experience suggests otherwise. The wider internet is a cesspool and you never know the inanity that will spur a bored, annoyed script kiddie with some booter credits to take it out on the local cake shop, like another commenter put it.

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Post by viraptor »

CommanderData wrote: post #51
ramon156 wrote: post #27

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big corps = big money. they dont make money from your $5/mth static site, its practically free when you're at CF scale

What I was talking about: https://newtrackon.com/ 10+ BT trackers using CF likely free tier. Low-end EACH 300-500 MILLION HTTP requests/24hr uncached, some exceed a billion reqs/day (using statistics from other open trackers) 20TB-40TB daily, ~1-3 Gbps sustained. That's a crap load of transfer and compute to process those tiny network connections. As someone that's run a Tunnel on a normal site in the millions, the d…

Lots of people will run http over the tunnel rather than https, so that actually comes out cheaper for CF overall because they don't have to start new TLS sessions.
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