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My Feed, My Way

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Re: My Feed, My Way

#61

Post by latexr »

blfr wrote: post #54
gitowiec wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone measured that if a user is teenager boy, it will take Tik Tok 9 minutest to serve misogynistic content...

I was a teenage boy in the 90s and "girls are stupid" is definitely not a Tik Tok original. Yeah, yeah, scale matters but this is not in fact the first generation to discover sex differences or vices.

You are massively underrepresenting the situation. This is not “girls have cooties”, this is full-on women bashing. This is calling all women subhuman whores who don’t deserve respect. For crying out loud, there are massive “influencers” out there whose whole job is to degrade women online. You might’ve heard of a couple of wildly popular brothers who have just been arrested for literal human trafficking who forced women to be cam girls while making money publicly bragging about it, and those guys are (again, publicly) connected to the president of the USA.

Let’s please not pretend this is even comparable to the 90s. Scale is a quality of its own, and the scale of the current situation, both in severity and reach, is very different.

Re: My Feed, My Way

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Post by blfr »

latexr wrote: post #61
blfr wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was a teenage boy in the 90s and "girls are stupid" is definitely not a Tik Tok original. Yeah, yeah, scale matters but this is not in fact the first generation to discover sex differences or vices.

You are massively underrepresenting the situation. This is not “girls have cooties”, this is full-on women bashing. This is calling all women subhuman whores who don’t deserve respect. For crying out loud, there are massive “influencers” out there whose whole job is to degrade women online. You might’ve heard of a couple of wildly popular brothers who have just been arrested for literal human trafficking who forced w…

Yeah, it has gone further. You wouldn't hear "kill all men" at a uni in the 90s either. But I am not convinced that this is social media because hardline feminism predates it significantly.

Re: My Feed, My Way

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Post by [deleted] »

blfr wrote: post #62
latexr wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are massively underrepresenting the situation. This is not “girls have cooties”, this is full-on women bashing. This is calling all women subhuman whores who don’t deserve respect. For crying out loud, there are massive “influencers” out there whose whole job is to degrade women online. You might’ve heard of a couple of wildly popular brothers who have just been arrested for literal human trafficking who forced w…

Yeah, it has gone further. You wouldn't hear "kill all men" at a uni in the 90s either. But I am not convinced that this is social media because hardline feminism predates it significantly.

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Re: My Feed, My Way

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Post by denismi »

ricardobayes wrote: post #17

That's great however after seeing their feed being empty people will switch back. You can already do this on youtube by not allowing history.

No you can't, I just tried it.

I deleted all of my history and "paused" history tracking. Then I reloaded https://www.youtube.com.

My expectation: A feed of the pages I'm subscribed to.

My experience: A blank page which just says "Your watch history is off / You can change your setting at any time to get the latest videos tailored to you. [Learn more] / [Update Settings]".

Hilariously, it is exactly the same - in glorious 4K - on the YouTube app on my TV.

This is deliberately fucked in order force users into the algorithm.

Re: My Feed, My Way

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Post by latexr »

ricardobayes wrote: post #17

That's great however after seeing their feed being empty people will switch back. You can already do this on youtube by not allowing history.

> You can already do this on youtube by not allowing history.

And what a bliss that is! I love it how YouTube thinks it’s punishing me by turning off the home page recommendations if you disable history (it didn’t always do that) while it’s in fact a favour. In my country (and I assume most/every country), the default home feed is such a cesspool of vomit-inducing clickbait garbage that it boils my blood to even glance at it.

> That's great however after seeing their feed being empty people will switch back.

But yes, I have no illusion that everyone shares my aversion. Removing control from the companies will hopefully have some impact, though.

Re: My Feed, My Way

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Post by fmajid »

It's unclear whether this legislation will require giving users the choice of the sort order. That's one of the tricks exploitative social networks use, selective prioritization of ragebait and other content that encourages "engagement". If you have the choice of strict chronological order, that removes a lot of the hold the networks have over you.

Re: My Feed, My Way

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Post by latexr »

armchairhacker wrote: post #18
demibabs wrote: post #3

Right direction to move in, but probably won’t do much. “Drug dealers are now required to give their customers the option to purchase salad instead of cocaine”.

The war on drugs was a failure, and the most successful cases (other than harsh punishments while avoiding massive drug use in the first place, like Singapore) involve legalization.

> The war on drugs was a failure

Continues to be. It’s not over; it has been going on for over half a century, and counting.

How was it that Toby Ziegler (The West Wing) put it? “Since it never ends and no one ever wins, maybe we should stop calling it a war”?

Re: My Feed, My Way

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Post by latexr »

> Users can choose to opt in to having their default feed include personalised content recommended by the algorithm. Alternatively, users can opt out of personally recommended content in their default feed and see the friends and creators they choose to follow.

Does that mean they are giving platforms the choice of what’s going to be the default? That doesn’t seem like a wise plan.

Re: My Feed, My Way

#69

Post by f6v »

Vishal_Max wrote: post #46

The damage is already done for most people who already use it. Whenever I go to a restaurant and see friends, families, and couples together, I feel sad that instead of talking to each other, they’re all watching TikToks or reels. On a bus or train, barely one or two people are actually doing something other than watching something online. At least, hopefully, this rule helps future generations. People’s brains are s…

> On a bus or train, barely one or two people are actually doing something other than watching something online.

I mean, what else should I be doing? Self-analyzing and staring in the window?

Re: My Feed, My Way

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Post by mig1 »

blfr wrote: post #21

Why do people (or at least politicians pretend to) believe that social networks are popular despite the content algos and not because of them? The reason Tik Tok blew up is because it shows you what you want to see without you twiddling with a dozen dials. Maybe giving people what they want is not great for them. I am ok with this argument. But then "giving people control" won't change anything. Vast majority of user…

Even if someone was crazy about facebook, there was a limited amount of content they could see from my friends, you'd be done watching everything in 10 minutes. The levels of addiction we see today on TikTok, IG, etc were not even possible.
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