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Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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More VMware - winning friends and influencing people, like usual.

I blame Broadcom. They behave like an aged care home for software, who actively engages in financial abuse.

The bought it to squeeze it dry in its last few years. It’s one of their main business models.

Buy declining companies with good customer bases, cut spending and raise prices.

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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post #9

I got my current job because I could lead the hyper-v to VMware migration project. Just this year I led the VMware to hyper-v migration project. VMware was such a great product (although a bit cumbersome in the VCF environment I managed). It’s really unfortunate it went the way of Broadcom. In comparison Hyper-v feels like a typical Microsoft product. A bunch of different tools created by different teams to do tasks…

I've lead roughly $20M in cloud migration projects in the last two years away from vmware to cloud services as replacements. Just insane what MBAs are willing to do to a product to squeeze short term profits. Even more insane that this country largely sees these people as a benefit to society and not the vultures they are.

The cloud see them as a benefit, that’s for sure. They are frothing at the mouth for the customers to migrate their workloads.

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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As an old ex-vmware eng it's kinda sad reading all these articles about broadcom's controlled descent into terrain. A lot of really cool and useful engineering was done in vmware's heyday, and it was often delivered in rather shaky commercial shapes, but for a while the whole thing kinda worked. And broadcom seems to see it as a company that is long past its ability to innovate, extracting as many dollars as possible before its rapidly decreasing value goes to zero.

There was a solid few years that a lot of business types at vmware behaved as though winning was the default, assured state. It took several years for them to see that that was very much not the case. A real lesson in there, for every successful business today.

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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post #9

I got my current job because I could lead the hyper-v to VMware migration project. Just this year I led the VMware to hyper-v migration project. VMware was such a great product (although a bit cumbersome in the VCF environment I managed). It’s really unfortunate it went the way of Broadcom. In comparison Hyper-v feels like a typical Microsoft product. A bunch of different tools created by different teams to do tasks…

Corporate IT is kind of a parallel universe to me, so it is interesting to see how widely used these products are and how impactful these types of events are.

There are a few broad categories to building one of these platforms.. core virtualization ("relatively easy"), device model ("medium hard"), storage management ("hard"), management plane ("medium hard").

VMWare popularized x86 core virtualization and defined their own device model because they were the early market leader. But the device model is pretty bizarre and I haven't been particularly impressed by the guest driver quality over the years. VMFS and vSAN seem good for storage, the latter being better than anything open source. Management plane was mediocre, I remember it took a while to move off Flash and fat clients while cloud vendors were showing none of that was necessary from inception, and everything is kind of in a walled garden by design (embedded DB etc).

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually had so many troubles with vmware on windows over the years that once I tried out hyper-v for the first time last year, I somehow have never touched vmware again. Sure vmware has better configs, cleaner interface and some very subtle design advantages. But damn, hyper-v just fucking works and it keeps working across updates. I have a VM that has been running for a year and it is still perfectly doing exactl…

> I actually had so many troubles with vmware on windows... I assume this means that you were using Vmware Workstation? The VDDK is for Vmware vSphere , which -IIRC- runs on Linux and coordinates computers running ESXi, which are where vSphere VMs actually run. Not that many people are going to be using Vmware Workstation to run a large number of VMs.

I remember reading some obscure customer doco that "The old fax server is running on the virtual host"

And I was like... what virtual host?

What I found was Server 2003 running on VMWare Workstation, running on a Windows 7 Dell PC sitting at the bottom of a rack.

A lot of people think VMWare Workstation is the pinnacle product of the company and I have NFI how this came to be.

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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The sad part is that most companies using VMWare could have been using Proxmox all along without any of the licensing and fee nightmares.

> […] could have been using Proxmox all along without any of the licensing and fee nightmares. As a user of Proxmox, and observer of VMware infrastructure in other silos in some IT orgs I've been in, there is no way that Proxmox was a viable solution 3-5 (or more) years ago. Hyper-V could have been used in many instances. I know a few places that chose to start moving to Nutanix even before the Broadcam fiasco. OpenS…

I emphasize most, not all. Most companies using VMWare even 5 years ago could have achieved similar infrastructure using Proxmox. It's been a viable alternative for years. It's always intrigued me how easily big companies get pulled into licensing nightmares because their execs get bullshitted into believing a sales pitch at a seminar. Anyone who has worked with Oracle's product lineup instinctively knows what I'm talking about.

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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post #34

As an old ex-vmware eng it's kinda sad reading all these articles about broadcom's controlled descent into terrain. A lot of really cool and useful engineering was done in vmware's heyday, and it was often delivered in rather shaky commercial shapes, but for a while the whole thing kinda worked. And broadcom seems to see it as a company that is long past its ability to innovate, extracting as many dollars as possible…

You need to remember this isn't Broadcom the chip company at work, this is really Avago which took on the Broadcom name when they acquired the latter.

Avago's business model is to acquire cash cow businesses and then milk them dry. These VMware changes are consistent with that model.

Re: Leaving VMware just got harder after Broadcom pulled VDDK downloads

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post #35

i thought everyone got rid of vmware in 2007 when virtualbox came out... wow cant believe people still pay for that

As a user of VMware Desktop who switched to VirtualBox, my experience was VMware was just so much easier to use.

I now use UTM to host Windows 11 Pro on my mac for exactly one Windows application.

With the exception of suspend, it does the job.

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