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216M Spy TVs – The LG Smart TV Problem [video]

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Post by Melatonic »

jojobas wrote: post #693
mapontosevenths wrote: post #342

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Not well. If you only care about file playback, bit still care about things like HDR and quality audio I would recommend something like the OSMC Vero V instead. It's still relatively cheap, and open source, but also let's you playback something like a blu-ray rip without loss of quality. It has the other bonus of not requiring any real setup or maintenance.

GBM/DRM Kodi supports HDR video on the Orange Pi 5 family. You can grab whatever audio from HDMI or plug whatever in the usb port, the only advantage of this Vero is the optical out.

Does the optical out actually transcode to 5.1 or is it only proper optical when the source has DD built in ?

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Post by flexagoon »

scoot wrote: post #447
josuepeq wrote: post #435

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It’s okay to be a luddite. Not everything needs to have an interface. Got into a spat with a manager at my apartment complex because I refused to install their app just to deal with a maintenance issue. He was like, “I don’t see the problem, you have to use the Latch app to open your apartment door.” To which I replied, “No, I have the door keypad code memorized.” Just like I don’t need an app to make a log of exit/e…

> you have to use the Latch app to open your apartment door So what happens if you arrive home with a dead phone? And possibly worse, they have a log of when you come and go?

I am a student and where I live most student housing has an app to open the door instead of a normal key. My current place used Bluetooth, the previous one was even more inconvenient because it used NFC. It sucks, and if you accidentally forget your phone at home you're fucked, but the landlords do it because it lets them block old tenants from entering without having to switch the locks.

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Post by mastercheif »

walrus01 wrote: post #611
daemin wrote: post #599

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Doesn't HDMI have built in Ethernet these days? So any HDMI cable of a certain specification is also a network cable. I remember these things being discussed a while ago on here, how TVs use their own hard coded DNS ("for safety") rather than any network provided DNS (to avoid filtered DNS ala PiHole), how there's Ethernet in a HDMI cable, how other wireless networks are tried, and how eventually they'll go the car r…

I am not aware of any smart TV that actively solicits a DHCP lease and default route outbound from anything it's plugged into by the 100M ethernet built into a current gen HDMI link. At least not yet. And since I think the default behavior for things like xboxes, playstations and apple TV is not to be a dhcp server and provide routing/NAT, I don't think a lot of things you can plug a TV into (also yet ), would provid…

HDMI Ethernet was included in the spec 15 years ago and not a single consumer device (that I am aware of) ever implemented it.

Idk why this is so often citied in Smart TV boogeyman arguments.

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Post by kulahan »

hn_submit wrote: post #300
touwer wrote: post #139

Funny, published on a site with 1745 'partners' who fully respect our privacy of course

I believe we should push for legislation that prohibits the sale of customer data to third parties. Websites can use the data on their customers but they cannot share it with anyone else. Because aggregators are selling it cross-border after which you lose track and all control over it.

There was an American presidential candidate who ran on the platform of Americans getting to own their data and privacy like property in... 2016? I think? Agree with it or not, he was pretty forward-thinking at least.

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Post by torben-friis »

FractalParadigm wrote: post #574
godelski wrote: post #541

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On top of that, the first few minutes of the video suggests it captures your neighbors' device and IP information. I'm sure the ToS has some BS about you being required to inform any guests, but what if your TV is just recording your neighbors because they are close enough? Just wait, I'm sure the "solution" will be that TVs start displaying reminders that you're being recorded... Is our inability to innovate in tech…

Re. The last paragraph, that's what confuses me the most about all of this. LG has virtually held a monopoly of the entire OLED TV market for the past ~15 years, selling (arguably) one of the TVs on the market and being the only thing I've recommended people buy in about as long. They could have done literally nothing but update the hardware every other year with a newer SoC, HDMI version, etc. and done just fine. No…

>It's insane that there's more profit in duping your users to spy on them and sell their data/information, than there is just making and selling a great product.

And it feels like an inflationary behavior: people need marketing because the product doesn't sell itself because it is neglected in favor of data collection and marketing that is needed because GOTO 1.

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Post by nerevarthelame »

p0lychromatic wrote: post #281
wavesplash wrote: post #274

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Watch the video the article is based on - not connecting to the internet doesn't keep you safe in many cases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IFVTcM28KA

This is because they rooted the TV. They can just start a capture, record to RAM / storage, and retrieve it later when it is reconnected to the network. Otherwise if it's disconnected, it is still hard to exfiltrate the data somewhere. Maybe they could get creative via Bluetooth, but then you would need a cooperating device in proximity of the device.

I think the main risk is that if you - or your kids, or your spouse, or a guest, or someone you give/sell the TV to - do connect the TV to the Internet for even a moment years from now, then all those logs you wanted to keep away from LG are likely to delivered.

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Post by ungreased0675 »

taylorfinley wrote: post #649
ungreased0675 wrote: post #396

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I would like to send vast amounts of garbage data to the LG servers. They aren’t being respectful of our bandwidth and data, we don’t need to be respectful of theirs. This also applies incentives in the correct direction. Their database of customer information becomes less valuable if there’s bad information in it. Disconnecting your TV from the internet doesn’t affect LG, feeding them bad data does.

I have just launched http://weowntheglass.com , it features an oled-safe screensaver steady stream of public domain images of violent uprisings against an oppressive class. The ACR should enjoy that!

What if it was a quick succession of screenshots from actual TV shows? Random pictures probably don’t have any ACR match but TV shows would.

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Post by selcuka »

mitxela wrote: post #664
empyrrhicist wrote: post #607

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Can that kind of clause really be enforceable? It really doesn't seem legal in any jurisdiction I'm aware of. (not a lawyer)

LG probably can't sue you for failing to get consent from a guest, but the guest can sue you, not LG, for being recorded.

LG's purpose is to avoid being sued by the guest, not to be able to sue the customer.

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Post by selcuka »

sbarre wrote: post #641
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Pardon my French but bull-fucking-shit! A CEO _should_ take responsibility for what their subordinates do. It's preposterous to simple throw up our arms and say "oh well, some employees were sloppy so we lost some 100 million user IDs and other sensitive information that we promised not to store but we lied. Oopsie, silly me, pardon my wee incompetence tee-hee". No no no NO NO! At some level, and certainly at the lev…

Uhh. I think you misread my comment pretty badly here. I am not making excuses for anyone. I am saying that it's less likely to be some evil machination that led to the misuse of my data and more likely to be negligence or incompetence. Both are inexcusable, but one is more common/likely than the other. You can certainly link them together and yes leaders should be held responsible no matter what, but from my perspec…

> I am saying that it's less likely to be some evil machination that led to the misuse of my data and more likely to be negligence or incompetence.

Not being held accountable for negligence or incompetence is the evil machination.

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Post by selcuka »

DPDmancul wrote: post #444
ryandrake wrote: post #433

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We need to climb two very difficult hills for there to be any change here: 1. We need our governments to actually start charging companies with crimes, when what they are doing would be illegal for an individual to do, and 2. We need the penalties to be something other than fines, which are ultimately treated by companies as routine costs of business.

> We need the penalties to be something other than fines, which are ultimately treated by companies as routine costs of business. It's true that fines are nothing more than predictable costs, so maybe an option would be fines in percentage of the incoming of the company: this way it could make a real impact. I know in some north Europe countries the speed limit fines are in percentage on the personal net worth.

> maybe an option would be fines in percentage of the incoming of the company

You are overengineering it. Just throw the CEOs in jail for a few months and observe how these practices disappear overnight.

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