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Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by Dansvidania »

dudefeliciano wrote: post #644
Dansvidania wrote: post #638

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> As if that holds any value, especially considering the rest of your comment, which completely ignores the rhetoric of that "designation". I am not saying that you have to hold my experience to any value, but I am stating that was my experience. Anyone is free to interpret as they prefer, but I would question your argument as to why. It sounds a lot like "whataboutism". The fact that the designation is bad does not…

First of all I apologize if my previous comment was overly aggressive. Perhaps I got heated because I think this is an an issue that shows were we are going as a society, and it's nowhere good. > question your argument as to why. I am also Italian, and I don't feel that "the dialectic and rhetoric" of their statements in any way gives and credibility to the US designation of a "violent antifa cells" equating them to…

I appreciate the apology, but this is much of the same.

> being Italian is not some skill

Some of the A/I statements being in Italian, and some of the seditious rhetoric being known to me because I have experienced the Italian far left, I think it is a relevant 'competency' in this thread.

> That sounds like a cop-out to me..

It's a good thing I have no obligation of par-conditio :D

Anyway, whether the US document is good or not was not my point, and I never hinted at the fact that it might be good. I repeat that I don't think it is. You are rather just using that to ignore the point I was attempting to make, which is that the language used by the collective is reminding me of language that winks at violence.

> As Italians we should criticize only one side and that is the fascists.

I reject the requirement you try to impose on me of criticizing only the fascists, as if far left - which this collective definitely was - is tolerable or ok or positive. I do not agree. I prefer to keep my own independence of thought, and would rather point out your statement being ironically oppressive.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mitxela »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #593
mitxela wrote: post #505

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HN's filtering is anything but lazy. Do you have showdead enabled in the settings? If not, enable it and refresh this comments page. A bunch of my comments were mysteriously deadened and I have no idea why - they aren't flagged. This was among them. Maybe it was a retaliation for talking about HN's filtering?

When a post receive a number of flags and downvotes higher than some configured threshold, they're marked as "[dead]".

[flagged] [dead]. Just [dead] by itself means an auto filter.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mitxela »

swiftcoder wrote: post #578
mitxela wrote: post #502

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The payment system has to be decoupled first, and then banks can have nothing to fear from US sanctions.

> The payment system has to be decoupled first, and then banks can have nothing to fear from US sanctions. I'm not sure the payment system is most banks primary concern. Being able to buy/sell US securities turns out to be a fairly fundamental part of the modern economy

Any EU back that's holding US securities deserves to fail. And then have its leader get jailed.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mitxela »

sltkr wrote: post #580
mitxela wrote: post #409

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Right. If I support free libraries, but I deny a library card to an ax-wielding serial killer, I don't really support free libraries.

Why don't you answer the actual question, instead of coming up with far-fetched analogies?

That is the actual question.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mitxela »

stale2002 wrote: post #547
mitxela wrote: post #546

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Are you antifa?

I don't go around dressed in black with anarchist symbols and wearing a mask, attacking people or destroying stores at riots in the middle of the night, no. I generally stay away from that type of stuff and instead support non-violent, political change that happens within the system and I think those destructive groups are engaging in ineffective and bad tactics.

Are you antifa?

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by mitxela »

selfhoster1312 wrote: post #596
vrganj wrote: post #592

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How is hosting a website and an email violent?

Not arguing in favor of banning A/I, but the US administration claims A/I email services were used to coordinate sabotage actions. I mean, that's as stupid as saying telephone networks or paper sheets were used to coordinate sabotage actions. Furthermore, the noblogs.org platform (previously hosted by A/I) is used to host a lot of politically-motivated content, including news and statements by various resistance grou…

So Google will be shut down tomorrow, right?

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Post by golem14 »

selfhoster1312 wrote: post #594
golem14 wrote: post #564

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People with minor kids and/or dependent spouses/family often disagree.

I don't have a scientific study at hand, but historically many revolutionaries and resistance fighters were family men and women with children who precisely cared for their children's future.

Historically, those family fighters had really trouble keeping their families alive and very little to lose.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by ranger_danger »

chanakya wrote: post #631
ranger_danger wrote: post #572

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Most people are comfortable, but not everyone. At least, comfortable in the sense that they are not willing to die for their country/people at the moment, and aren't personally affected by most of the bad things their government does. In the US at least, things like high food/gas prices or unemployment/healthcare issues are just one of many other issues, and aren't causing most people so much pain that they are willi…

The kind of problems you're describing certainly don't sound like things you should "pick up a weapon and give up your life" for, so this doesn't seem to add an argument in favour of "revolution".

Right, and unless enough people are personally affected, I don't see there being one.

I think this was an inevitable outcome of western culture's individualism being inherently selfish.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by guywithahat »

NostraDavid wrote: post #122
lukan wrote: post #36

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"They promoted and hosted violent/terrorist activity." What kind exactly?

https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20... Check the near the bottom. Some are named, such as Armed Proletarian Justice, Revolutionary Class Self-Defense, and Jane’s Revenge, but some unnamed ones as well (at least their actions have been described).

Gotta love how you provide a clear, cogent answer to his question, and so people downvote you.

A/I wasn't like protonmail; they specifically provided IT support to terrorist groups, who would often be violent and would sometimes kill people. I mean to thoroughly vet your users and then make the services anonymous is a wild thing to do, all while encouraging violent users to use your site.

Re: A/I shuts down

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Post by guywithahat »

behole wrote: post #51
hermannj314 wrote: post #29

I am first hearing about this group today, but here is some context: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20... Apparently they provide the digital infrastructure for violent Antifa cells and because of a 9/11 related executive order, the A/I is able to be branded a sponsor of terrorism. I guess this makes it a crime to give them money or provide aid to them (if you are a US citizen). EDIT: who i…

More boogie man bullshit from our fascist admin.

> from our fascist admin

In what way is Trump socialist? Even if you think he's trying to reduce the US to one race (presumably one of the European nationalities? Which is insane to think on its own), he's actively opposed to socialism and generally opposed to government control of industries. People using the term fascism have no idea what it actually means.

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