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It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by watwut »

eudamoniac wrote: post #127
trueno wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think anyone who's done even a modicum of research knows that holding a conversation isnt going to come from an app or a library and actually being out there having convos with either a tutor or just all out immersion is required. then reading literature, consuming media in the other language yes your point is made duolingo isnt going to do these things for you. those initial stages of learning another language eve…

Getting feet wet is not a success though because it doesn't achieve anything. It is the beginning of maybe succeeding at something. The following sentence would be silly: "I used an app to learn programming, by writing hello world, and had actual success with it."

Except that getting feet wet here means "making you capable to progress by reading literature and watch movies".

That is more then just writing hello word. That is equivalent of "taught me basic programming, so I was able to write my first javascript game and continue learning by doing own projects". That definitely has large value for someone at 0.

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by trueno »

eudamoniac wrote: post #127
trueno wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think anyone who's done even a modicum of research knows that holding a conversation isnt going to come from an app or a library and actually being out there having convos with either a tutor or just all out immersion is required. then reading literature, consuming media in the other language yes your point is made duolingo isnt going to do these things for you. those initial stages of learning another language eve…

Getting feet wet is not a success though because it doesn't achieve anything. It is the beginning of maybe succeeding at something. The following sentence would be silly: "I used an app to learn programming, by writing hello world, and had actual success with it."

> Getting feet wet is not a success though

It literally is maybe not by your metric but someone elses metric that can absolutely be a success. Sometimes getting up in the morning is a success for people I've been there I know what that's like. I'm kind of amused at the gatekeeping of what a 'success' is here. Guy said he has literally learned things that have stuck with him sounds like something he marks as a success to me, not like he was taking the course for college credit and had to demonstrate fluency lol

edit: yea the guy is now consuming media in a foreign language and has had small convos based on what he learned on duolingo. idk man smells like success

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by kcplate »

throwaway270925 wrote: post #125
primitivesuave wrote: post #46

Rather than investigate all the things where investigative journalism could potentially make a difference to real human beings' lives, the Guardian has chosen to pursue a plea for the majority owner of Meta's voting shares (61%) to step down from his position of power. Let us politely ask Sisyphus to stop pushing the boulder instead.

> the Guardian has chosen to ... No, the Guardian has chosen nothing, this is an OPINION piece by an external author, it has nothing to do with the Guardian staff. Learn the difference.

The Guardian (i.e. someone on its staff) chose to publish this opinion piece.

I spent 8 years of my life at a daily news organization, I know for a fact that reporters, editors, executives, and sometimes even the advertisers have a voice in what is published…whether opinion or not.

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by eudamoniac »

trueno wrote: post #132
eudamoniac wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting feet wet is not a success though because it doesn't achieve anything. It is the beginning of maybe succeeding at something. The following sentence would be silly: "I used an app to learn programming, by writing hello world, and had actual success with it."

> Getting feet wet is not a success though It literally is maybe not by your metric but someone elses metric that can absolutely be a success. Sometimes getting up in the morning is a success for people I've been there I know what that's like. I'm kind of amused at the gatekeeping of what a 'success' is here. Guy said he has literally learned things that have stuck with him sounds like something he marks as a success…

Why are you arguing against what you just said and against the comment I made before OP responded?

"anyone who's done even a modicum of research knows that holding a conversation... reading literature, consuming media...duolingo isnt going to do these things for you."

Your edit makes it sound like not only did I argue that what he did is not success, but that thinking so was dumb, while we both thought the same thing five minutes ago. In fact I argued that beginning a task does not constitute success in that task.

If OP is not exaggerating his success that is highly impressive and hard to believe, so good for him. That had nothing to do with anything else I said though.

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #114
hpjev wrote: post #40

Mark Zuckerberg owns the majority of voting shares. It's his company, over which he specifically wanted to retain control. Therefore, calling on the board to reign him in is... Misplaced. If you think the actions of Meta are wrong and should be prevented, you need to act on the regulatory level, not appeal to the very shareholders who profit off the behaviour.

"Mark Zuckerberg owns the majority of voting shares." He only owns about 13% of Meta's voting shares, not a majority But he owns 99.8% of Class B shares Class A get one vote per share Class B get 10 votes per share No doubt the author is aware of Meta's voting structure hence her choice of the words "voluntarily resign" The author suggests "the board" or "Meta", not the shareholders, some of whom are not on the board…

Parent comment was previously #1 in the thread

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

primitivesuave wrote: post #46

Rather than investigate all the things where investigative journalism could potentially make a difference to real human beings' lives, the Guardian has chosen to pursue a plea for the majority owner of Meta's voting shares (61%) to step down from his position of power. Let us politely ask Sisyphus to stop pushing the boulder instead.

"Rather than investigate all the things where investigative journalism could potentially make a difference to real human beings' lives."

Except the author doesn't work for The Guardian

She's a Professor of Journalism at Boston University

https://www.bu.edu/com/profile/joan-donovan/

This is an op-ed

It's not authored by the paper's journalists

How does an op-ed effect The Guardian's pursuit of investigative journalism

This report suggests The Guardian is continuing to make an impact through investigative journalism, e.g., the "America's Dirty Divide" series

https://theguardian.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/theguardi...

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by sznio »

trueno wrote: post #108
sznio wrote: post #3

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I think everyone is infected by doomerism. Why care about the long term consequences if the world is going to be over in the next 20 years.

i think calling it doomerism underplays the realities of the actual landscape right now. there is like literally no history to go off of here that indicates there could be consequences for mark or meta. there is, however, kind of a lot of history showing nothing will happen to him or meta. and the conditions that enabled him to be consequence-free are exist in pretty much the entire judicial apparatus at this point.…

> there is, however, kind of a lot of history showing nothing will happen to him or meta.

Well, the silver lining is that the world is probably going to be fine in the end. If the governments don't actually get a grip and regain control, we'll see a revolution. I don't think Flock and Palantir is capable of stopping a large enough mass of people from overthrowing their owners.

I just hope that things end up fine in my lifetime, and that it doesn't get too violent. The most likely scenario is capitalism repeating the "fascism" endgame again, hopefully failing with less death than 80 years ago.

Re: It's time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign from Meta

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Post by TFNA »

watwut wrote: post #130
eudamoniac wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is "actual success?" Because I'd find it pretty unbelievable that you got even close to being able to hold a conversation or read a YA novel from Duolingo.

At this point, I can read a crime novel and read that last pope writing (got curious took spanish version, no dictionary cause it is printed version). I can watch some netflix shows with no subtitles at all - Seinfield, crime shows, documentaries, that sort of thing. I cant watch stuff with more complicated vocabulary ("you" or "the good place" are harder). I listen to spanish radio - causual shows about world news o…

You seem to think of language learning only as learning for passive media consumption, and the plethora of mistakes in your English rather underscores that. Most people learning a language want more than that, e.g. being able to achieve at least a B1 level in all categories for social, job, or residence-permit/citizenship test reasons. And for those masses, Duolingo is a shit way to learn.
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