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Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

At least we all got a reset out of it! I was holding off, refreshing & smashing "beg" on https://codex-resets.com

I appreciate that he gave the heads-up. I deliberately burned through my quota yesterday, low key expecting a reset, but ready if I needed to use a other banked reset.

> Thanks for reading. We will do a global reset of the usage for all paid subscriptions so that you can keep enjoying Astra after burning through all of it doing fun 3D modeling in blender. The work week is about to start.

> Lands around 6pm PST today.

https://m.x.com/thsottiaux/status/2097043464538264003

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by flir »

mrweasel wrote: post #104
flir wrote: post #37

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Or more efficient models/faster hardware close the gap between here and profitability. I wouldn't be surprised if every $10 you add to the subscription cost halves your audience.

That boils down to who the customers for ChatGPT really are. $10 isn't going to make a difference for those who already pay, because they are basically pro-consumers. OpenAI might deliver enterprise solutions for large companies, but those deals are besides the per month subscriptions on the website. For ChatGPT I really only see two customer groups, pro-consumer and small and medium enterprise. The entry level are j…

Ok half was an exaggeration, but I think $10 might make quite a lot of them jump to Claude. Or DeepSeek. Remember, we're talking about a global user base here.

I settled on GPT Plus/Codex for my own work, while my employer settled on Claude on Bedrock (where I am, according to their metrics, using about $20 of compute a day, so I can believe that GPT Plus is a loss-leader). If I hit too many 5-hour timeouts I'm not jumping to Pro I'm jumping to Claude.

(Funnily enough, I just hit one. It'll reset in... three hours. I wasn't even hammering it, just writing some tests. I think I'm gonna just go reactivate my Anthropic account for a month).

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by thejazzman »

cj wrote: post #127
fgkramer wrote: post #114

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How does this work with inference providers behind OpenRouter? Are you saying that all of them are actually losing money?

> Are you saying that all of them are actually losing money? Are you saying these companies are operating on anything resembling a sustainable business model? I think not! If OpenAI needs to impose 5 hour limits during a time where they are aggressively trying to grow market share, what do you think they (or whatever the winning provider is) will do in 5 years once they IPO and need to boost margins? They won’t be as…

`needs to impose 5 hour limits ` I'm no OpenAI defender but that's like saying Apple is going bankrupt because they charge for their products. Why wouldn't they do everything they can to turn $20 users into $200 users?

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by cyanydeez »

paxys wrote: post #17

People should realize by now that they aren't giving out thousands of dollars worth of compute in a $20 subscription out of the goodness of their hearts. The base level plans aren't meant for any kind of serious work beyond the equivalent of Google searches. At best treat it like a trial.

Treat it like an economic drug.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by fny »

gruez wrote: post #64
fny wrote: post #36

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I hope everyone recognizes they aim to make you dependent on their intelligence rather than your own.

But there's open models that are (pessimistically) 1 year behind? It's not like if openai decided to rugpull everyone, we'd be going back to writing code by hand and all the developers who forgot how to fizzbuzz would be screwed.

An open model is not your brain.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by ForOldHack »

flir wrote: post #37
solenoid0937 wrote: post #26

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I hope everyone recognized the cheap tokens as a transparent ploy to gain more users before jacking up prices. This was obvious from day one.

Or more efficient models/faster hardware close the gap between here and profitability. I wouldn't be surprised if every $10 you add to the subscription cost halves your audience.

Your intelligence is good, but mine is better. They could easily raise their prices until their user base falls to zero, and the offer steep discounts, but then... so could everybody else. We need to pimp all the speculators until they are bankrupt. Welcome to web 4.0b. "We will bury you."

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by ttul »

alpineman wrote: post #107
ttul wrote: post #60

My goodness, the complaining... Just get all your devs a $200 ChatGPT Pro (20x) plan. Yes, you lose the "team" component, but you gain so much more. And what's $200 against the salary of a good developer? It's absolutely inconsequential, even in far cheaper non-US salary regimes.

Sam, is that you?

I think Sam would be saying something pithier. And the 20x Pro plan absolutely runs at a loss, so I think he would be the last one to promote it.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by skybrian »

MikhailTal wrote: post #101
skybrian wrote: post #72

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Aware of what, though? We don't actually know OpenAI's profit margins on inference. Do we need to know? It's enough to know that the market is competitive and new models with better prices are released often. This means you should have a way to switch models.

Aware that this is essentially a soon to be deprecated service. As any vendor you need to know the life expectancy of it, plus forecast/predict any pricing changes. You really do not want to become dependent. Even if competitors exist, there still some non trivial cost to switch

My cost to switch is choosing a different model from a pulldown menu.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users

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Post by skybrian »

cj wrote: post #99
skybrian wrote: post #72

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Aware of what, though? We don't actually know OpenAI's profit margins on inference. Do we need to know? It's enough to know that the market is competitive and new models with better prices are released often. This means you should have a way to switch models.

The entire market is subsided more than it is competitive. The market wouldn’t exist the same as it does today if it weren’t being propped up. Thats the point. I remember the days when I had a $2000+ credit balance on Uber because I mastered their referral program. “Free” uber blacks for 2 years! When you’re using free shit that you should probably be paying more for, it’s good to not fool yourself. In the Uber examp…

Uber isn't a good comparison. LLMs are a national or global market, not a local one. Also: already driverless.
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