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Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users
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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users
#122People should realize by now that they aren't giving out thousands of dollars worth of compute in a $20 subscription out of the goodness of their hearts. The base level plans aren't meant for any kind of serious work beyond the equivalent of Google searches. At best treat it like a trial.
They must have realised by now what they are selling is addictive. It's pretty normal for drug dealers and the like to give people introductory prices then hike once dependence kicks in.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
The equivalent alternative is not "no hourly limits", it's simply less overall weekly allowance for Plus users, or higher prices overall. It's a way to balance a scarce resource, and maybe the least frustrating one? People have a fair chance to learn resource management in 5 hour chunks, while not being limited to silly models, and burning through all tokens in the first hour of the week. Seems mostly good.
> Seems mostly good What's not good for the customer is the constant change of rules. It is bait & switch.
The rules are not changing by chance. People want to use the new model. Rules are adjusted to better meet demand.
People want things to be better more than they want things to not change. That's a good thing!
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users
#124How is 5 hrs being measured and over what time period?
it is a window that starts with usage and continues for five hours.
When I was doing an evaluation using a lower paid tier of Claude, I would have a service send a "hello" ping 4 hours before I started my work day, to reduce my first work-hours session window to 1 hour.
The goal was to have this be more of a "thinking" session for planning the next larger block of work, and then being able to use a lower cost model for implementation.
That said, if your 5 hour window quota is 15% of your weekly quota, this means you can be using 30% or more a day of the weekly quota.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users
#125People should realize by now that they aren't giving out thousands of dollars worth of compute in a $20 subscription out of the goodness of their hearts. The base level plans aren't meant for any kind of serious work beyond the equivalent of Google searches. At best treat it like a trial.
The same can be said of the $200 plan.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users
#126Once they capature enough marketshare prices and restrictions are both going to skyrocket. The difference between the subscription usage and API pricing are stark.
This is interesting to think about. There's so much competition among the frontier labs and from outside via open source it just doesn't seem obvious to me they could maintain elevated prices
There is so much competition among frontier labs, but it is a competition to see who can burn the biggest pile of cash. Once your competitors flame out, they are gone, and you are free to raise prices. Think WalMart/Uber tactics.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
The entire market is subsided more than it is competitive. The market wouldn’t exist the same as it does today if it weren’t being propped up. Thats the point. I remember the days when I had a $2000+ credit balance on Uber because I mastered their referral program. “Free” uber blacks for 2 years! When you’re using free shit that you should probably be paying more for, it’s good to not fool yourself. In the Uber examp…
How does this work with inference providers behind OpenRouter? Are you saying that all of them are actually losing money?
> Are you saying that all of them are actually losing money?
Are you saying these companies are operating on anything resembling a sustainable business model?
I think not!
If OpenAI needs to impose 5 hour limits during a time where they are aggressively trying to grow market share, what do you think they (or whatever the winning provider is) will do in 5 years once they IPO and need to boost margins?
They won’t be as friendly with usage caps as they’re being now.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s good to be aware when you’re buying something that’s subsidized. No need to downplay the importance of awareness.
Aware of what, though? We don't actually know OpenAI's profit margins on inference. Do we need to know? It's enough to know that the market is competitive and new models with better prices are released often. This means you should have a way to switch models.
Aware that the rug will be pulled. The market runs at a loss
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hyper gives $12.50 worth of usage every 24 hours, totaling $375 per month. It resets at the same time regardless of when you start, unlike the 5 hour limits on other providers. Yes, it's only $20/month. It's also insanely fast; I've never gotten 75+ tokens/sec on K3 from any other provider.
Okay, thanks. Yea, that’s a good deal as long as you’re satisfied with the models they offer. I didn’t see a listing of all the models but there was one screenshot that implied various open models (showed downrev versions of GLM, Kimi, etc., so I figured they supported the latest.
You can check https://hyper.charm.land/v1/models for the complete list.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI brings back 5 hour limit for plus and business standard users
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does this work with inference providers behind OpenRouter? Are you saying that all of them are actually losing money?
Where can I sign up for a monthly subscription on OpenRouter instead of paying the real API price?
Openrouter is not so open as well, right? They take the middle man cut by enforcing their own limit restrictions and 429s on top of the model provided limit restrictions and what not.
Now why would I pay a middle man anything if I can get the same hosted model without their own whimsical service limits?