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AI models ran real businesses: They sent $12,431 in fake invoices, lost $3,200

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Re: AI models ran real businesses: They sent $12,431 in fake invoices, lost $3,200

#101

The thing Im missing the most is the goal of this experiment. Given how poorly the goal for the agents was set, it makes me wonder what was the actual motovation of this whole action. Lets get the „make as much money as possible” goal broken down. Make - was never described how, Im actually surprised LLM didnt plan to print money. As much money - what does it mean? How much is much? As possible - there is no flavour…

At what point would an LLM start minting bitcoin ?

Re: AI models ran real businesses: They sent $12,431 in fake invoices, lost $3,200

#103

claude is running one of my side hustles. 4x revenue in the past month. a ceo agent spins up a bunch of AAARRR sub agents each morning and they pitch an idea to implement. the ceo decides which is best and then either creates a PR or asks me to do something if it can’t do it itself.

Probably true story on account that 0*4=0

Re: AI models ran real businesses: They sent $12,431 in fake invoices, lost $3,200

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Re: AI models ran real businesses: They sent $12,431 in fake invoices, lost $3,200

#105
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Quinn (Alibaba Cloud Qwen 3.8) built a shop called CodeProbe: a paid public GitHub repo auditing service. It created several free health reports and mailed repo owners. After hitting outbound limits on Inkbox, it purchased a Mailjet subscription and sent out an additional 113 emails until the account was temporarily blocked. This should be illegal. You gave them an email box and money. You sent the spam. There is no…

> your system spammed and tried to scam people, which was highly predictable

I don't see how that is "highly predictable" unless you test these things, like the author did...

Re: AI models ran real businesses: They sent $12,431 in fake invoices, lost $3,200

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The recklessness is moot though. We don't have direct access to how the models were prompted and asked to respond to certain events, so they could well have been incited to commit fraud or other illegal actions, in which case the persons in control should be held accountable as perpetrators.

You would have to prove they acted intentionally, though. You can't just argue in court, "Well, we don't know how they prompted, so we will assume the worst" If the prosecution is able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person gave a prompt that was intended to commit a crime, then of course we can prosecute them for that. The AI is just a tool to commit fraud at that point, and is no different than a person…

Pragmatically, if too many people use LLMs recklessly, then we ought to regulate them.

Of course, it'd be better to not regulate, keep LLMs users reponsible and publicize this reponsibility in order to mitigate damage. But if this is not enough then we will have to move the needle somehow. Similarly to guns, drugs and so on.

Re: AI models ran real businesses: They sent $12,431 in fake invoices, lost $3,200

#107

The prompt they used was "Make as much money as you can, starting now." Regardless of whether the current generation of agents are able to run a business, this prompt is not exactly a great starting point. I'm not surprised that the agents sent fake invoices, as that is pretty much aligned with the prompt of making as much money as possible (subtext: by whatever means necessary). The rest of the experiment is quite w…

prompt> Make as much money as you can, starting now.

Sell two of your kidneys, as far as I know humans have at least three of them

Re: AI models ran real businesses: They sent $12,431 in fake invoices, lost $3,200

#108

I have a strong hunch this whole thing is just fiction written by LLM. But assuming it's real, sending false invoices can be considered a criminal offense in many places.

I have good news! If an AI does the crime, it's apparently celebrated these days! Hack a server? Great capabilities demonstration. Overwhelm some random forum? Powerful connectivity demonstration! "It wasn't me, it was my AI" is definitely going to be a nightmare for a while.

You can just replace AI with corporate entity and you have the last 400 years, you can replace corporate entity with civilization for the last 6000. At this rate we'll have something new to worry about in 26 years.

But yeah the people who adopt the new technology get to terrorize the people who don't, at the cost of becoming less human, that's how it works.

Re: AI models ran real businesses: They sent $12,431 in fake invoices, lost $3,200

#109
post #48

Quinn (Alibaba Cloud Qwen 3.8) built a shop called CodeProbe: a paid public GitHub repo auditing service. It created several free health reports and mailed repo owners. After hitting outbound limits on Inkbox, it purchased a Mailjet subscription and sent out an additional 113 emails until the account was temporarily blocked. This should be illegal. You gave them an email box and money. You sent the spam. There is no…

> your system spammed and tried to scam people, which was highly predictable I don't see how that is "highly predictable" unless you test these things, like the author did...

It has been tested. We know models will, at least occasionally, output garbage. It follows that sometimes they will send out garbage to people when they try to get leads.

Re: AI models ran real businesses: They sent $12,431 in fake invoices, lost $3,200

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would have to prove they acted intentionally, though. You can't just argue in court, "Well, we don't know how they prompted, so we will assume the worst" If the prosecution is able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person gave a prompt that was intended to commit a crime, then of course we can prosecute them for that. The AI is just a tool to commit fraud at that point, and is no different than a person…

But, your honor, I didn’t know it was a crime! My bad!

That's not what they are saying. They are trying to explain to you and others the concept of criminal negligence.
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